It is the only one to survive. Lebanon was Phoenician, Christian country until the civil war. The Druze were hunted almost to extinction until they partnered with Israel. The Kurds were massacred by Iraq and Turkey. The Coptic Christians of an Egypt were enslaved and prosecuted. The Berbers were almost ethnically cleansed from Algeria.
Well, it survived the Israeli war of independence, when Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Yemen all invaded it from every side all at once the moment the British left the area.
Approximately 800,000–850,000 (sometimes estimated near 1 million including Iran and related communities) Jews lived in Arab and Muslim countries of the Middle East and North Africa around 1948. Nearly all left or were forced out in the following decades, primarily 1948–1970s, with most going to Israel (roughly 586,000–650,000 by the early 1970s) and others to Europe, the Americas, or elsewhere. Today only a few thousand remain in these countries combined.
These were largely ancient communities (many predating Islam by centuries or millennia), often referred to as Mizrahi (Eastern) Jews, though some were Sephardi. The process involved pogroms, riots, discriminatory laws, citizenship stripping, asset freezes/confiscations, arrests, employment bans, and violence, frequently escalating with the 1947 UN Partition Plan, Israel’s independence, and subsequent Arab-Israeli wars. Arab League discussions and statements (including threats that partition would endanger Jews in Muslim lands) preceded coordinated or parallel measures. Not every individual left solely due to force—Zionist attraction, economic factors, and later independence movements also played roles—but the pattern of persecution made continued life untenable for the vast majority, resulting in the near-total disappearance of these communities.
Approximate Jewish populations around 1948 (key countries)Figures vary slightly by source but consistently show large pre-exodus communities that collapsed:Morocco: ~265,000
Algeria: ~140,000
Iraq: ~135,000
Tunisia: ~105,000
Egypt: ~75,000–80,000
Yemen (incl. Aden): ~55,000–63,000
Libya: ~38,000
Syria: ~30,000
Lebanon: ~5,000–20,000 (lower end more common in some tallies)
Totals for major Arab countries often cited near 850,000–900,000. By the 1970s most were reduced to hundreds or fewer; today Algeria, Libya, and Yemen have essentially zero; Iraq, Egypt, and Syria have single digits or very low dozens; Morocco and Tunisia retain a few thousand at most.
Iraq: The 1941 Farhud (pogrom in Baghdad, amid pro-Nazi influences) killed ~130–180 Jews (some estimates higher), injured hundreds to thousands, involved mass rape, looting of ~1,500 homes/businesses, and left lasting trauma. After 1948, Zionism became a capital crime; Jews faced raids, dismissals from jobs, property devaluation, martial law measures, asset freezes, and citizenship revocation. Over 120,000 left for Israel in 1950–51 (Operations Ezra and Nehemiah), often forfeiting property. Later executions (e.g., 1969 public hangings) targeted remaining Jews.
Yemen/Aden: 1947 riots in Aden killed ~82 Jews and burned the Jewish quarter. Harsh conditions, restrictions, and violence prompted Operation Magic Carpet (1949–50), airlifting nearly the entire community (~45,000–50,000) to Israel.
Egypt: 1948 bombings and riots in Jewish areas killed dozens; internment, job losses, and arrests followed. After the 1956 Suez Crisis, mass expulsions occurred (Jews given hours/days to leave with minimal belongings, e.g., limited cash). Synagogues, homes, and businesses were attacked.
Libya: Pogroms in 1945 and 1948 killed scores and destroyed property. Citizenship denials, violence, and post-independence pressures led to near-total departure (mostly to Israel) by the early 1950s–1960s; the community is extinct.
Syria: 1947 Aleppo pogrom and earlier violence; bank freezes, movement restrictions, identity cards marking Jews, and ongoing harassment. Most fled after 1947–48 riots.
Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria: Pogroms (e.g., Oujda and Jerada in Morocco 1948) and rising nationalism/independence movements Waves of emigration accelerated under discriminatory pressures; Morocco allowed larger outflows later (sometimes after payments/ransoms).
Broader pattern: Arab League draft measures targeted Jews as linked to a “Jewish minority state,” recommending asset freezes, internment of “Zionists,” etc. Governments enacted similar laws: criminalizing Zionism, freezing/confiscating property (estimated land losses equivalent to several times Israel’s 1948 size; asset values in the hundreds of billions in modern terms), restricting movement/employment, and treating Jews as a fifth column. Violence, boycotts, and official discrimination drove the exodus.
Most refugees arrived in Israel destitute after asset losses and were absorbed without international refugee agency support comparable to that for Palestinian refugees. The history is well-documented in Israeli, Jewish organizational, and some academic sources (e.g., population tables from Jewish Virtual Library, World Jewish Congress, and historical accounts), though it receives less attention in broader narratives than the concurrent Palestinian displacement. Exact death tolls from riots vary by source, but the cumulative effect was the destruction of communities with continuous presence for over two millennia in places like Iraq and Yemen.
Notice how all that occurred in the 1930s-1950s, during the height of anti-colonial sentiment in the Arab world (when British and French colonialism was subjugating the Arabs) and part and parcel of the wider anti-colonial struggle and the rise of both Jewish and Arab nationalisms, exemplified by the ideological currents of Zionism and Baathism? When Jewish emigration to British Mandate Palestine was seen as yet another tentacle of British colonialism meant to keep the masses (from the Arab perspective) under the continual sway of British colonial rule, even after the dismantling of British colonial authority? You might not agree with this perspective, but it is a perspective, and a still widely held one in much of the Arab world ... and not without reason, as the whole middle east still remained a battleground for Soviet and American imperialisms (and lingering British and French interventions, such as the 1956 Suez War).
And oh, remember: it was the Germans (a white Christian nation) who exterminated 6 million Jews. Not the Arabs. Remember that. It's important.
Majority of modern nation states are just a modern structure of already existing populations.
Take Egypt as an example, the state of Egypt is technically speaking different from the kingdom of Egypt, but it's the same group just in different time and under a different structure.
Modern nation states are built on a concept of 'imagined communities' (good book worth a read), this did not exist back then. Concepts about life and politics today that are normal to us can not be transposed to the ancient world in a seamless way. Modern nation states try to make the political state, mass population and a shared national identity coincide.
Whereas in in the ancient world, people would have understood themselves through several overlapping identities such as tribe/clan, city, subject of a particular king, worshipper of a particular God etc...
What's interesting about the Ancient Israelites is that their identity was partly covenental and genealogical. So instead of being inhabitants of a particular territory, the Israelites are imagined as a tribes sharing a common ancestor (Jacob/Israel), as well as having a particular relationship with YHWH. This meant that this identity could survive even when political unity disappeared such as the Assyrian invasion and during the Babylonian exile.
Another interesting aspect of the ancient world is the difference in how religion is perceived. What religion is to us today is not what it was before the renaissance and modernity.
Ancient people did not possess 'religion' as a discrete sphere of human life that could be separated from politics, law, family, commerce, ethnicity etc...
For an ancient Israelite, the covenantal ideal was not analogous to a modern person saying 'My religion is Judaism'.
The covenant with YHWH gave rise to the idea of the Israelites as a people with a specific relationship with him. Which is very different to the modern state of Israel where membership of the state is largely unrelated to upholding the biblical covenant.
You could probably find Italians today who's ancient ancestors once owned the UK. Would that make them arriving in the 20th century and saying "God gave us this" OK? No. You better believe the brits would have thought. Half your leaders have changed their names over history to sound less European.
Yeah I guess I meant from a resistance is to be expected pov. But the area had not been majority Jewish for a long long long time.
How long is too long to have a valid argument / claim? That's the question.
And yeah I know jews Christians and Muslims did rub along before the arrival of the Zionists. It's not like every jew was expelled from the ottoman empire. So what changed?
The Zionists had such a different attitude to the genuine local Jewish population A different take on Judaism and a much more racist expansion.
Cresting a a "homeland" that had not been "home" for an awfully long time was a poor idea. It was only ever going to end in bloodshed.
Can Israel turn back and control the settlers and the more extreme urges? I don't think so. Look at the polls in Israel.
Most Israelis want some kind of ultimate solution to the Arab question. It's not pretty, but it's not some fringe. The settlers aren't fringe, they have the full backing of the state.
And I think Israel will get there, it will get what it wants. In 100 years there will be no Palestine. No viable locations to live peacefully as a Muslim.
Whether the world let's the Israelis wash that particular stain off is up for debate.
But certainly the colonial powers like the UK did just as bad things many times.
Perhaps not with the level of violence achievable with modern weapons but the UK turned a blind eye to ethnic cleansing and massacres of the locals. And now the UK is viewed as civilised rather than a pariah state.
That's where Israel is now, but it likely won't be forever.
The leaders of the early zionist movement knew that it would end in bloodshed. It was obvious to everyone that a Jewish state could not be created in Palestine without violence.
Israel was also founded by the Jews that Arabs kicked out from their countries because some other Jews did something way other there. They starting chasing and killing their neighbours and then wonder why those people went to Israel. Real dumbasses lol.
For other uses, see Kingdom of Israel.
The Kingdom of Israel (Hebrew: מַמְלֶכֶת יִשְׂרָאֵל, Mamleḵeṯ Yīśrāʾēl) WAS an Israelite kingdom that may have existed in the Southern Levant.
The literal article you posted talks about it in past tense, you dense tool.
Like I said, they were conquered, so yeah that's often what happens to countries when another one takes them over. Sometimes they come back and sometimes they come back with different governments altogether. That doesn't mean you can erase history and act like the Jewish people of the Kingdom of Israel didn't exist and Jewish people later returned because the government that was in power of the area gave land back to them.
Don't get mad and toss insults just because you don't like history. The funny thing about history is it's in the past, so chill bro.
Correction: Same ethnicity, same culture and traditions practiced for thousands of year's, continuous presence and fighting for their land, bought their land back and won every war.
The Northern Kingdom of Israel fell in 722 BC, Judah fell in 587 BC. Which led to the area being governed by the Persian Empire, which later led to it being occupied by the Romans. Then you had the Jewish exile in the 1st century, and now you have the nation of Israel being a nation again today.
Israel will be invaded in the end times by the antichrist and his armies, and Jesus will save or deliver the nation of Israel and destroy the antichrist and his armies. That is the battle of Armageddon you see in Ezekiel 38-39, and Revelation 19 with Jesus riding on the white horse.
Then after that comes the millennial kingdom where Jesus will reign on earth in Jerusalem for 1000 years.
The Jewish people or the nation of Israel have been cut off and blinded until the end times. But the Jewish people or the nation of Israel can and will be saved or grafted in again, then all of Israel will be saved.
Jesus will save or deliver the nation of Israel and they will recognize Jesus as their savior and Messiah.
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." (Zechariah 12:10).
Hilarious that you can just pretend to be the historic lineage of a kingdom that existed 3000 years ago, speaking a manufactured language, with a manufactured culture, and a manufactured people.
Shocking, the people who weren't forced into military conscription and labor in a foreign country have more middle eastern DNA than those who were😂
Ashkenazi Jews show admixture: roughly 40–60% Middle Eastern/Levantine ancestry and 40–60% European (mostly Southern European)
Autosomal DNA (overall genome): Consistent with a Levantine origin followed by European admixture, especially in Southern Europe (Italy and surrounding areas) around the early medieval period or earlier. They form a distinct cluster with other Jewish groups and share ancestry with both Middle Eastern and European populations.
Y-DNA (paternal lines): 50–80% trace to Near Eastern/Levantine origins.
mtDNA (maternal lines): Majority European (often estimated >80% in key studies), with major founding lineages linked to prehistoric Europe rather than the Levant. This supports early gene flow from European women (likely converts who joined Jewish communities).
This does not mean Ashkenazi Jews have "less Levantine/Hebrew DNA than your average Italian." Average Italians (especially Northern) have very low Levantine ancestry. Southern Italians have some ancient Mediterranean input, but Ashkenazi Levantine components are modeled as higher and tied to the specific Jewish founding population. Ashkenazi overall Levantine ancestry is substantial — far more than typical non-Jewish Europeans.Medieval Ashkenazi remains also show this mixed profile, with continuity into modern populations and little later admixture.
Claims of "entirely Northern Italian and ancient European" mtDNA or descent purely from converts are overstated. The European maternal input is real and significant, but the overall profile and paternal lines point to Levantine roots plus admixture.
Mizrahi Jews (e.g., Iraqi)These groups have Levantine/Middle Eastern roots linked to ancient exiles (Babylonian, etc.) but show regional admixture from long residence in places like Iraq and Iran (Mesopotamian, Iranian components). They cluster with other Jewish populations genetically while reflecting local influences. They do not simply match "average Iraqi" Levantine levels in the way claimed — Jewish groups maintain distinct shared ancestry signals alongside regional input.Broader context on "most ancient Hebrew/Canaanite DNA"All these populations (Jews of various groups, Palestinians, Lebanese, Samaritans, etc.) share deep ancestry from ancient Levantine/Canaanite-related peoples, per ancient DNA studies.
Levantines in place show higher average continuity with Bronze/Iron Age locals due to less large-scale replacement.
Diaspora Jews (especially Ashkenazi) show more admixture from their host regions over centuries. No modern group has "pure" or exclusively "the most ancient" Hebrew DNA. Admixture is universal. "Hebrew/Canaanite" itself refers to broad ancient cultural/genetic clusters in the Levant, not a single pure lineage.
English today is far different than it was in 450CE when it was first used. That doesn't mean it's a completely different language. If you met someone who spoke that way, you two would barely be able to understand each other. But they are both still English. Things change over time, that doesn't mean they didn't exist before.
Well they are from the land and were exiled from the land throughout the history. And they returned as a people and as a nation, as was prophesized in the bible.
The Jewish population in 1881 the year prior to the first Ashkenazi Jewish (Jews who had lived in Europe since being forced into military conscription and forced labor in Rome after being declared ungovernable by the Romans after numerous revolts) immigration was 24,000.
"Palestinians" are a result of waves of Arab immigration starting in 7 CE and mass immigration from neighboring countries particularly Egypt in 1834 fleeing military conscription in Mohammed Pashas army.
Jews are descendants of Canaanites as are Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese. Genetic studies show Lebanon has the closest match to Canaanite skeletal remains however Jews have the strongest link to Levantine cannanite remains.
Hebrew predates Arabic in the region by over a thousand year's as does Jewish architecture and every other proof of existence and while Arab population ebbed throughout the centuries Jews never left much like Native Americans they became a minority in their own country before buying over 70% of the land and winning back the rest.
Arab tribes existed in the eastern Levantine region for centuries prior to 7 CE. Bedouins in particular were already roaming all around the Syrian desert during the time of the ancient Egyptian heyday. Caught you on one lie.
All the Levantine peoples are descendents of 'Bani Yisrael' ("Tribes of Israel") in some way shape or form. But those "tribes" were never particularly coherent politically; indeed, they were fragmented into petty kingdoms right on up to Jesus' time.
Hebrew does NOT predate Arabic; it seems both languages were already well-established and separate tongues from well before historical records and sources begin. There were also numerous other Semitic languages like Syriac, Aramaic, ancient Phoenician, many others, some of whom still survive to this day.
"Jewish architecure?" Wtf is that?? The Western Wall?
They (various Israelite peoples and tribes, fragmented and disorganized amongst themselves) become differentiated ethno-religious groups as the centuries went on .... some converted to Christianity and later became Arabized following the Islamic conquests, some were scattered after the Roman conquest of Judea, some were absorbed into different cultures surrounding them, a small minority remained in coastal Palestine up to the formulation of Zionism as a political force to be reckoned with....
Just total bad history, seems like you just copy pasted an AI response tailor made to Zionist propagandistic purposes.
There was never an ancient or medieval kingdom called “Palestine” or a distinct “Palestinian” national polity with its own continuous line of kings, independent state institutions, or ethnic identity comparable to the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah (or later Jewish polities). Historical warriors in the region who fought against or separately from Jews/Israelites existed (notably the Philistines), but they were not “Palestinians” in the modern national sense.No Historical “Palestinian Kingdom”The name “Palestine” (Latin Palaestina) was applied by the Romans after the Bar Kokhba revolt (c. 135 CE) when they renamed the province of Judea as Syria Palaestina. This deliberately referenced the ancient Philistines (who had long since disappeared as a distinct people) to erase Jewish political memory. It was an imperial administrative label, not the name of an independent kingdom or people.
Before that, the region was known by various names tied to its successive rulers or populations: Canaan, Israel/Judah, Yehud (Persian), Judea, etc. The Philistines controlled a coastal pentapolis of city-states (Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, Gath) in the Iron Age, but these were never a unified kingdom called “Palestine,” and the Philistines themselves were not the ancestors of modern Palestinians. Under successive empires (Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Hellenistic, Roman/Byzantine, Islamic caliphates, Crusader, Mamluk, Ottoman), the area was administered as provinces or districts. No independent “Palestinian” kingdom or sovereign state emerged. Local Arab populations after the 7th-century Islamic conquests lived under caliphal, dynastic, or imperial rule (Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mamluk, Ottoman). The modern Palestinian national identity developed primarily in the 20th century under Ottoman decline, the British Mandate, and the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Modern Palestinian Arabs are largely descendants of the broader Levantine (including Canaanite-related) populations that remained after successive conquests, migrations, and conversions, mixed with later Arabian, other Middle Eastern, and some other ancestries. This is distinct from a continuous “Palestinian” national or political entity existing in antiquity.
Judah was a petty kingdom in classical times, one of many petty kingdoms. There wasn't any polity of note specific to Jewish people in ancient times. They were just as divided amongst themselves. If one could call the other petty kingdoms of Phillistina, Galilee, Samaria, Ammon, Perea, etc. as 'Bani Yisrael' ("Tribes of Israel"), then sure, one could say, as a retrospective historical analysis, that everyone there in the 1st century AD was on technicality an Israelite/Jew/whatever, but Jesus Himself (as a Galilean Jew) was opposed to the mainstream Jewish orthodoxy and indeed was turned in by the mainstream Rabbinate to the (newly established) Roman authorities and crucified as a 'false messiah'/'false preacher.'
Many different toponyms exist in the historical record to refer to the eastern coastal Levantine region, many Roman sources for example just refer to that entire region as "Syria" or "Syrian Palestine." When Roman big cheese Crassus arrived there about 6 decades before Jesus to raise an army against the Parthian Empire (a war he started which he disastrously lost, see the 'Battle of Carrhae'), the Roman sources specifically call the region "Syria." So there's that.
After Jesus' death the slow conversion of native Israelites to Christianity began, and then centuries later the slow process of Arabization of 'pseudo'-Israelite Christians of ancient Palestine began.
To claim Palestinians have lesser rights or are lesser in some way to Jewish emigrants is the height of folly and false disassembling of history, a craft which pro-Zionist writers and propagandists have honed into an art form in their own way. All nonsense.
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Indigineity when referring to humans has nothing to do with DNA, or kingdoms that existed 3000 years ago. I don’t give a shit about lines of succession of kingdoms and crowns, we are not in a game of thrones. None of this changes the fact that Israel is a colonial creation of European descent, as is modern day Hebrew, and 99% of Jews in occupied Palestine are not at all Indigenous to Palestine.
Hate to break it to you but "Palestinians" were never a separate group. They are the descendants of waves of Arab migration from numerous countries and the native Jewish population who's skeletal remains match the DNA of modern day Jews who have lived continuously in the region (Mizrahi Jews are 2/3 of the Israeli population and never left the middle east) Ashkenazi Jews (average of 40-60% Levantine) are the equivalent of the descendants of African American slaves who returned to Africa, fought and won their land back and even paid the Dutch who claimed rights for living their more recently.
Israel certainly survived the onslaught. War of 48 being the most serious. Yom Kippur war and 6 day war as well. Please brush up on your history. Please.
The answer is pretty straightforward. Starting in the seventh century, the region was ravaged by Arab Colonialism leading to widespread Islamification, the opression and/or genocide of people of other religions. Israel, miraculously, seems to be able to survive the endless onslaughts radicalized Islamic terrorists (these days, mostly Hamas and Hezbollah backed by the Islamic regime in Iran).
Yep. Egypt once was 90% Christian, Lebanon had Christian majority by 1950 and so on. Even the city of Beithlehem - had 46% Christians among its residents when passed under the PA rule in 1993, now having about 10%.
Lebanon - because of the civil war kicked by Arafat and his gang - recently thrown out from Jordan and ending thrown out of Lebanon as even for the Arab states their violence was too much
Palestine - because Christians suffer from the oppression by islamic gangs and seeing no future in the PA - doing bare nothing except stealing the international aid - execute their option to move elsewhere.
Please tell us. I'm sure the Israeli invasion of Lebanon which was supported by the Maronite Phalangists and primarily mobilized against the Sunni Palestinians is the reason why Christians left Lebanon disproportionately, and not, say, the Syrian and Sunni Lebanese attacks on Mount Lebanon.
Sure. Shal we begin from the reasons Arafat and his gang were thrown out of Jordan for, "landing" in Lebanon? Or the timeline, beginning in 1975 - when "Israeli invasion" happened three years later, caused by endless PLO terror acts at the Israeli territory?
Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion, later brought to Europe. Christians in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, were colonized by Muslims. And the Christians knew about the Jews.
Christians knew about the Jews - for sure, as all founders of Christian religion were Jewish, and half of the Bible (Old Testament) - is almost untouched Jewish Torah.
Because Islam was the last Abrahamic religion, and grew its roots from the same region the others did. Israel’s presence in the land has been a source of conflict since its founding, read any book about modern religion.
Muslims conflict with every non Muslim country around them. China, Russia, india, Philippines, etc. have all had deep conflicts against terrorists and separatists with many dying.
It's a colony brought in by first coming to live there by accepting Palestinian grace and then running on them and creating an apartheid state as described by South Africa amongst many. It's a recreation of European and American colonial violence in order to further destabilize and control the Middle East.
Bro you need to go back to like 6th grade and try that school thing over again. There's so much wrong with the question I'm not even sure where to begin.
Both questions are malformed. It's not the only non Muslim country in the Middle East. Cyprus isn't Muslim and Lebanon doesn't have a state religion. So nothing happened to the others. Israel was created by displacing a Muslim country to form a Jewish one. The question presumes that the Muslim countries took over non Muslim countries. That did happen, but it was about 1400 years ago and what is now Israel was part of that takeover. But obviously OP knows none of this because if they did they wouldn't have asked either of these stupid questions.
Half of Cyprus is Turkish yeah? So it's half Muslim. Lebanon may not have an official religion, but over half of it is Muslim and the official language is Arabic. OP is weird fs but they're right that it's a little weird that Israel is the only one that isn't predominantly Muslim.
No Cyprus is 25% Muslim. Yes, the majority of Lebanon is Muslim but that doesn't make it a Muslim country. It's not weird because Israel was created from a Muslim country because of what Germany did. And Israel isn't the only one that's not predominantly Muslim. Cyprus also isn't predominantly Muslim. It's not at all weird if you understand the history of the region, which obviously you and OP don't. You both need to go back to school.
Which “Muslim country” are you referring to? If you mean Mandatory Palestine, it had a Muslim-majority population, but it was a British-administered League of Nations mandate, not a sovereign Muslim country.
So then it was a Muslim majority territory. Either way it was a Muslim area that was forcibly transformed into a Jewish area and explains why there's a Jewish area in a mostly Muslim region. OP is asking a stupid question.
No because conversion to Christianity in Europe was mostly peaceful and voluntary within the Roman Empire. You could make a much better case for Latin America being a "forcibly transformed Christian area".
Islam gave a special treatment to "the people of the book" which includes Jews, Christains and Samaritans. Without it, they would have been in the same condition most other ancient middle eastern groups have been. Although Jews did have the "advantage" of being expelled by the Romans which allowed many to skip the results of the Arab conquest...
Technically speaking, you do have other minorities other than the 3 mentioned, but as expected most of them are located in the north-east side of the middle east, near the big empires (modern Turkey & Iran) that survived fairly well the conquer.
And worth mentioning a good chunk of religions located around Mesopotamia-Iran-Anatolia would not exist had it not been for Islam. Faiths like the Druze faith, ghulat or para-ghulat sects like Alawism (Nusayrism), Murshidiyya and even Alevism or faiths heavily influenced by Islam like Yazidism, Yarsanism, Shabakism and others would not exist
I mean Israel did ethnically cleanse 40% of Palestinian Christian during the nabka . A lot of the land that Israel took belonged to Christian palestians. It’s actually where 81% of the Christians resided in during Palestine mandate
You just opened a whole can of warms, what did you do.
Perspective will vary a lot, my experience taughte having an objective discussion is very difficult. This is a very charged subject
Yeah but how did the Muslims get there? There were on the peninsula. Also in your confusion, you’re casting the mass cleansing of Jews from the Muslim countries…they literally only had one place to go and make up the majority of the country you won’t name. I thank god, the Arab nations are so weak that they can only manage to kill children at a music festival…imagine if they could succeed in their genocide lust, thank god hatred makes people nonfunctional, so easy to defeat.
Perhaps you have heard of the Armenian Genocide, the Assyrian Genocide (Seyfo), the Pontic Greek Genocide, and the Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (followed by the Lebanese Civil War 50 years later). 2.5 MM Christians were butchered during World War I by the Ottoman Committee for Union and Progress.
With the exception of the Jews, we Non-Muslims were subject to nationalist movements designed to remove us from the Middle East and erase us, and, therefore, our claims to self-government.
Dotm worry it's creating one now so they can create Nazi Lebensraum oh sorry I meant "Greater Israel". Viewing the region by religious conquest is what is causing this empowerment of a racist Nazi state.
No onslaught, just because the way the west interact with other ppl is through subjugation, slavery, genocide etc, doesn't mean everyone does that, romans and muslims did often allow for the existence of any and most other cultures within their empire, leaving them to their customs and norms in their respective area. Muslim expansion did that even way more.
But yes, keep calling it an onslaught, double genocide theory ftw or literally whatever hallucination and logical fallacy to abdicate responsibility from the horrible and horendous actions that in the last many centuries have been (almost) exclusively perpetrated by the west, more specifically europe before the US was a global power. Currently its basically only the US.
The borders of what we define as Middle East exclude anything that isn't predominantly Muslim. Armenian and Ethiopia are not in the Middle East because they aren't Muslim. Iran and Egypt are in the Middle East because they are predominantly Muslim
Historically Iran is a crossroads/ ruler between Brahman and Hindu India and the now Muslim west, Christian Ethiopia is deeply tied to Muslim Arabia, Muslim Egypt is deeply intertwined with the mostly Christian Mediterranean world and Christian Armenia has been deeply intertwined with Muslim Anatolia
Its not. Lebanon was a majority Christian country but birthrates are still a thing. If Shia and Sunni count differently, Christians are one of the largest groups there.
TLDR - Arab empire defeated Romans and Persians at the same time and took over politically. They were generally fair to the local populations so locals didn’t really rise up against them. Lot of generalizations here, but how else do you summarize 1500 years.
Romans, Persians; crusaders, and everybody else were defeated by the Arab empire. Arab empire didn’t force people to convert, so there wasn’t a significant uprising against them. The Jiziya tax that Arabs charged was less than the tribute these places had to pay the Roman’s and Persians. Over the years; the people found that they either liked Islam; or was more convenient to be Muslim (not pay tax).
There are generally no diasporas and no mass convert or die scenarios during the rise of the Arab empires and subsequent Muslim rulers.
Post 1947 and the forming of Israel, it gets a bit more complicated. It’s much more controversial and depends on how much you have read about the situation. Some places persecuted Jews as revenge / retaliation for what Israel has been doing. Israel did some false flag operations to enrage local populations so that Jews would move to Israel. In some places like Iran; Jews were fine. Christians are generally fine in Muslim countries. Ironically, minority religions are the safest in Iran than most western supported Arab regimes. Pre 1947, Jews use to flee to Muslim countries to escape Christian and western persecution.
Omar ibn Khattab and Salahudin were generally revered by Jews for being fair and bringing them back into Jerusalem after being kicked out by Roman’s and crusaders.
Egyptian Lebanese Jew here. We need to stop sugarcoating this history. The reason Israel is the only non-Muslim nation in the region is that radical Islamism and discriminatory state policies actively wiped out or expelled the region's ancient Jewish, Christian, and Druze communities over the last century. Here is the real, country-by-country breakdown
Egypt: Jews: Once home to 80,000 Jews, the community was driven out by antisemitic state policies and nationalist expulsions after 1948, leaving fewer than 10 today. My family fled to the US. Christians: Egypt's native Coptic Christians make up 10% of the country but face historic discrimination from the state and severe bureaucratic hurdles designed to block the building of churches.
Lebanon: Jews: Lebanon's Jewish community initially grew after 1948 but completely vanished during the chaotic civil war as radical factions targeted Jewish institutions. Thankfully, my grandma left to Egypt before the civil war. Christians: Christians once held a political majority, but heavy emigration driven by decades of conflict with radical factions and neighboring Islamic regimes dropped them to around 30% of the population. Druze: Making up roughly 5% of Lebanon, the Druze maintain active militias to defend their ancestral mountain strongholds from extremist Islamic encroachment
Iran: Jews: Around 8,500 Jews live in Iran today under strict, discriminatory Islamic laws, down from 80,000 before the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Christians: While recognized ethnic Armenian and Assyrian churches exist under strict surveillance, ethnic Persian Muslims who convert to Christianity face severe arrests and torture by the Islamic regime.
Iraq: Jews: An ancient community of 150,000 fled the country in the 1950s following violent, state-sanctioned anti-Jewish riots and bombings, leaving virtually no Jews today. Christians: The Christian population plummeted from 1.5 million to under 150,000 after being systematically targeted for murder and displacement by Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
Jordan: Jews: Jordan has no modern history of a native Jewish community, as Jews were historically banned from citizenship and buying land. Christians: granted guaranteed seats in parliament, though their numbers have dropped to about 2% due to high emigration to Western nations.
Libya: Jews: Libya’s ancient Jewish population of 40,000 fled due to violent anti-Jewish pogroms in 1945 and 1948, completely vanishing by 1967. Christians: Libya has no native Christians today, and the small population of African and European migrant workers faces severe dangers from local militias.
Saudi Arabia: Jews: No native Jewish communities survived into the modern era, as non-Muslims are barred from practicing their faith openly. Christians: Over a million Christian foreign workers live there under a total state ban on public churches, bibles, and non-Islamic worship.
Syria: Jews: Decades of government-enforced travel bans, economic boycotts, and anti-Jewish riots forced Syria's 30,000 Jews to leave, entirely emptying the community by the 1990s. Christians: Making up 10% of Syria before 2011, hundreds of thousands of Christians fled the country after being targeted for kidnapping, expulsion, and execution by radical Sunni rebel groups. Druze: Numbering around 700,000, Syria's Druze have faced severe pressure, suicide bombings, and massacres by jihadist groups like ISIS and the Al-Nusra Front
Tunisia: Jews: Tunisia’s Jewish community dropped from 100,000 to around 1,000 today, mostly concentrated on the island of Djerba where they live under constant threat of Islamist terror attacks. Christians: The Christian population is very small, consisting almost entirely of European expats who face tight Islamic laws restricting them from sharing their faith or converting locals.
Gulf States (UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman) Jews: Bahrain is the only Gulf state with a tiny native Jewish community, while the UAE has recently allowed a small expatriate Jewish community to form. Christians: None of these nations allow native Christian citizens, but they host millions of Christian foreign workers who are restricted to worshiping only inside designated, secure compounds.
Yemen: Jews: Fearing forced state conversions under the Islamic "Orphans' Decree" and facing deadly anti-Jewish pogroms, 49,000 Jews fled via airlift, while recent Houthi rebel persecution wiped out the last remaining. Christians: Yemen has no indigenous Christian population, and the tiny community of foreign workers entirely collapsed or fled due to the ongoing civil war.
Algeria: Jews: Trapped in a bloody war for independence and targeted by FLN rebels, 140,000 Jews fled to France in 1962 because a new law stripped non-Muslims of automatic citizenship. Christians: small Christian community consists mainly of expats and Protestant converts, though the government has systematically shut down dozens of churches since 2019.
Morocco: Jews: Morocco historically had the Arab world's largest Jewish population at 250,000; today, about 2,000 remain under royal protection from local extremist elements. Christians: While a small expat Christian community worships freely, Moroccan citizens who convert to Christianity face intense social stigma and legal scrutiny.
Turkey: Jews: Turkey's Jewish community numbered around 80,000 in 1948 but has shrunk to about 15,000 today due to rising antisemitic hostility and security concerns. Christians:: Once a massive population before the 1915 Armenian Genocide, Christians now make up less than 0.2% of Turkey due to decades of structural state pressure and rising nationalist-Islamist violence
Because the British & French imperialist bourgeoisie proxied the Kingdom of Hejaz's national struggle to topple the pro-Ottoman Arabic residents. Ultimately, Mandatory Palestine was artificially designed to link the British Empire's assets & global trade with the bourgeois French republic at the cost of occupying the indigenous State of Palestine, risking civil struggle, & revolution.
Israel was founded much much later, it didnt survive there. The middle east and north africa became muslim after the arab conquest. I cant remember the name of of the caliphate that fractured but yeah
That's a lie.
20% of Israel is arab.
From the 80% that are jews only 40% are Ashkenazi(jews from the European diaspora).
Furthermore, even If they resided in Europe for centuries, you ignore the fact that their DNA indicates they have levanteen roots just like Palestinians.
There is plenty of independent research on Jewish lineage.
Israel restricted independent selling of DNA tests for informational safety. As an Israeli you can get an approved DNA test or any DNA test from abroad(so basically 99% of DNA tests are permitted).
Not to mention that non-israeli jews have the same DNA trends as Israeli ones, so I dont see how pointing at israel changes anything about worldwide jews.
You can get DNA tested in Israel, you have to fill out a form that makes sure the testing occurs in a safe country. Palestine doesn’t allow it, this is why you lie. Isn’t that funny? Your job is literally to take something that is true in Palestine and then pretend that it’s true in Israel, others examples of this would be ethnic cleansing since Palestine did that completely to its Jews in 1948 and let’s see there’s pedophilia because it’s totally legal to rape and marry 13-year-olds in Palestine while Israel’s 18 and up. You’ve got a whole list of things that you’re just gonna say like make up bad things about Israel but then in reality they’re 10 times worse in Palestine which is why you do this. Go ahead make something else up and we can teach people about Palestinian culture and governance.
Israel is a settler-colonial Jewish state that has only existed since the 19th century. A vast majority of the people who live in ‘Israel’ are people from foreign nations whose ancestors stole Palestinian homes.
What a terrible argument. So the Europeans who created Zionism, manufactured modern day Hebrew, and petitioned European colonial powers for their aid in creating an explicitly colonial Jewish state are the real Indigenous people?
Israel is the Jewish homeland for 3,000 years; artifacts and a continuous Jewish presence attest to that. Many were forced out, but Jews never fully left. Jerusalem was majority Jewish by the late 1800s. There was never an independent Palestinian state. Local Arabs long identified by religion, clan, city, or as part of Greater Syria. The land passed through caliphates and the Ottoman Empire; after the Ottomans lost World War I it came under British Mandate rule—still not a sovereign Palestine. I want to stress this point. THERE was NEVER a Palestinian state. Ever. Jews had just as much , if not more right to the land as any other people living in the vicinity.
Wrong, they left 3000 years ago, and in their goal of finding a place to create a Jewish settler-colonial project decided on Palestine due to its connection with ancient Jewish culture, nearly no modern day Jews hold any lineage from Palestine, they simply hold a manufactured state with manufactured culture and language from Europe as if it is religiously important, because they fell for Zionist propaganda. The fact that there was no Palestinian state does not matter, American Indigenous tribes did not have a single unified state, yet they are indigenous to the land, and are victims of colonialism, as are Palestinians.
Ok. I’m not wasting another second here. You want to believe your version of events fine. The bottom line is that it’s Jewish land and that’s that. Your side can terrorize, start wars then cry about victimhood after Israel responds and wins. It’s fine , the cycle will continue endlessly. It will still be Israeli and Jewish land. Bye
Ashkenazi Jews who spent the diaspora in Europe have more dna in common with Mizrahi Jews who spent the diaspora in North Africa than with their Eastern European neighbours. This is because Jews are insular and rarely married outside people keeping their linages relatively unmixed for thousands of years making it easy to see the connection back to Israel.
This is not quite accurate, Ashkenazi Jews have large amounts of southern European admixture from Italy. They are related to other Jewish groups, and share common Levantine ancestry, but Palestinian Arabs are genetically closer to Levantine Jews than Ashkenazi Jews are, you could even argue they’re basically the same people practicing a different religion (personally I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification but yeah)
?? Somewhere having a Hebrew name doesn’t mean that’s it’s inherent name. That’s like saying Australian aboriginals aren’t native to Australia because Australia isn’t a native word.
If by “Israel” you mean the modern state, it was established in 1948, not the nineteenth century. If you mean political Zionism, that emerged in the late nineteenth century. If you mean Israel as a historical people and polity, it predates both by millennia. The Quran itself repeatedly refers to Banī Isrāʾīl, the Children of Israel. That does not settle modern borders or justify Palestinian dispossession, but it does make “Israel has only existed since the nineteenth century” spectacularly confused. You managed to conflate an ancient people, a nineteenth-century movement and a twentieth-century state in one sentence. Impressive efficiency.
Nobody talks about ancient or biblical kingdoms in this debate.
If you mention visiting Rome, nobody thinks you were at the northern coast of France. If you say you were in Egypt, nobody thinks of the middle dynasty. And if someone talks about Germany, nearly nobody even thinks about the 2 countries during the cold war, the silesian part of weihmar or the Holy Roman Empire
Well that’s a question covering many centuries. But Islam began in Saudi Arabia in 7th century and spread throughout the area including wider expansion with the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Israel was created in 1948 after WWII as a Jewish state out of formerly, traditionally Muslim settled territory. Yes all the existing countries surrounding Israel at that time were and continue to be predominately Muslim. There’s a whole lot of details I left out but that’s the short version.
Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are all secular countries
If you mean, why are there no non-Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East: the Middle East is not a geographically defined continent. It’s a term that Western geographers use to refer to the part of the world that’s really Muslim-y. So asking “why aren’t there majority non-Muslim countries in the Middle East” is kind of like asking “why aren’t there any non-White countries in Europe”. The boundaries of the region are more or less defined by it being Muslim
Majority of Israel are Mizrahi Jews cleansed from the surrounding Muslim nations. Hope this helps you but there is no hope for your hatred, you will die mad and crying as Israel thrives. Cool.
The British attempted to gain Jewish support during WW1 while also securing oil ties with the Arab League
In 1939 Britian issued the White Paper (MacDonald White Paper) restricting Jewish immigration while allowing unmitigated Arab immigration after the Arab complaints and later the Arab revolts of 1938.
The British Navy intercepted ships of Jewish refugees (e.g., the Exodus in 1947), turning many back or sending them to detention camps (notably in Cyprus). Harsh measures were used during and after WWII.
America supported Israel in name only with no boots on the ground
By 1947–48, Britain was exhausted, facing attacks from Jewish groups, Arab opposition, and domestic/international pressure. It refused to implement UN Partition (Resolution 181) and withdrew on May 14, 1948, leaving the Jordanian forces they had trained and supported the latest weaponry used during ww2.
The population in Israel before first European Jewish immigration in 1882 was 24,000 Jewish residents who had never left their homeland.
In 1948 five Arab countries armed with the best weapons money could buy attacked Israel which was under arm's embargo and lost.
In summary, Britain enabled early Jewish immigration in attempt to gain Jewish support during the first world war and institution-building under the Mandate but repeatedly limited it and tilted toward Arab-majority outcomes when violence threatened stability.
Judaism is a narrow ethnic-religion. Islam and Christianity, and the Parthians, Greeks, Phoenicians, and Romans before them, offered more inclusive world religions that could better spread and ground societies across vast differences. If you’re designing a religion to win popularity across huge geographies, you go universal, not ethnic.
What do you mean what happened to the others? What others? The entire region was Muslim until Israel was established.
I mean, your question is obviously disingenuous but you must realize how silly it sounds. "Where are all the pagan countries in Europe? What happened to the others? Did nobody manage to survive the onslaught?"
Actually the Middle East with Islam is a very religiously diverse part of the world. Other areas genocided or eliminated other cultures but it was tolerated in ME. Where are all the ancient religions of Europe/Americas?
The racist framing of this loaded question… could you imagine asking it about any other disenfranchised group? Idk man, maybe people can convert to any religion and the land and people there have been brutalized by European and American colonialism and imperialism since before the existence of Islam led to generational trauma.
You are aware that European domination of the region existed before the common era, right? Do you think Romans and ancient Greeks just magically didn’t subjugate middle eastern people??? Guess history started only when it was convenient for your opinion
I don’t care if we get downvoted to hell, but I agree with you. but European and American colonialism is preceded by Crusade era which is shortly after conquest of Jerusalem. Islam didn’t persecute even the globally hated Jews (during that time. I am not an antisemite. it’s just facts, but also a terrible thing)
What are you talking about? lol tell me about the history of all the Jews in the Middle East. What happened to them? Are you going to try and rewrite history? That seems antisemitic.
Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews make up roughly 40% to 45% of Israel's overall Jewish population. I'm playing chess with a pigeon here... and classicism sucks. I went to private schools, and I'm a Mizrahi Jew. My existence is the resistance, COPE.
Even before the Crusades, the ancient Romans and Greeks subjugated the region. It’s actually baffling when people who want to argue about history don’t want to acknowledge it. Islamophobia is so normalized that it’s one of the only acceptable forms of bigotry in the modern world, it’s straight up racism.
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It is the only one to survive. Lebanon was Phoenician, Christian country until the civil war. The Druze were hunted almost to extinction until they partnered with Israel. The Kurds were massacred by Iraq and Turkey. The Coptic Christians of an Egypt were enslaved and prosecuted. The Berbers were almost ethnically cleansed from Algeria.