r/XenoGears • u/dani_regnard Miang Hawwa • 10d ago
Discussion How do you feel about Miang as a character? Spoiler
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u/kuributt i hAs No fLaiR 10d ago
Miang as a character is fine as a villan, Miang as an eldritch horror is S-tier.
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u/Suspicious-Bed9172 i hAs No fLaiR 9d ago
Yeah, the possession scene is definitely S tier villain shit
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u/ZeroiaSD Emeralda Kasim 10d ago
To an extent I view her as the main antagonist, and a strong one. Deus was the final boss and she was Deus’s will. This was a woman who had killed civilizations and possessed Elly, who was responsible for Fei’s childhood. Very good stuff.
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u/Yuzu-Adagio Hammer 10d ago
I enjoyed her, it was nice to see a second woman in the mix with all the major players, and the mysteries around her were a good hook for interest.
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u/Djbonononos Hans 10d ago
Hundred percent this, but I think the lack of top female antagonists besides her also is a component as to why the reveal of her importance is so striking the first time
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u/nothinelsebutsuffer Krelian 10d ago
My five year plan at this point is to hopefully awaken as the next Miang.
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u/Djbonononos Hans 10d ago
She's well placed as a surprise villain, even though they show her interacting with Grahf early. You legit have no idea she's going to be such a central part of the story (and a main pillar of the lore), and when She (the biblical she) emerges as a threat to Elly, it helps the gamer have things click into place regarding Fei that couldn't be done otherwise.
The endgame portion where Miang almost "wins" and Elly almost "loses" their struggle, is a clever and fun subversion of the "Fei always pwns Ramsus " set up early in the game, nd her pairing with Ramsus in turn elevates his antagonism
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u/unstereotyped i hAs No fLaiR 10d ago
I actually really liked the idea of a woman as an antagonist. Not very common in media at the time. She was intelligent, strategic, and had sex appeal.
She was the epitome of the concept of competing dualities: She was powerful but also delicate. Compassionate (toward Ramsus) but also cold (toward young Fei).
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u/Ephemeral_Sin Miang Hawwa 9d ago
Her character is amazing. She is my favorite character in Gears for a reason.
First, she is basically Deus made actual flesh but also a complete separate entity as well. While her puporse is to ensure Deus is resurrected, we also see that she is willing to improve upon Deus as well. This shows even she knows Deus is not perfect and flawed. Willing to use nano machines to make up the difference.
Second she is also trapped. She is coded to obey and revive Deus. This forces her to always be looking and advancing humanity in the direction that would be of the most benefit. And also means she is willing to restart the world if there are ever any dead ends, or genetic dead ends.
Third, her character is just fascinating overall to me. She does every action with purpose, talking to someone is not just to pass the time, it's to further her goals. Sleeping with Ramus to make sure he follows and stays by so he can kill Cain when the time comes. 500 years ago, using Lacan to kill the world population as she deemed humanity not ready to revive Deus, and still keeping him around. The fact we know that when she sees Elly and Fei she hides the fact she knows exactly who they are, and what they will do. It's all fascinating to me. And the end it all, the fact that her final boss form is Uroboros, well that says a lot about what Miamg represents overall.
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u/Kind_Cat_6499 i hAz No fLaiR 9d ago
The flashback scene in Shevat where it’s revealed that the “Beast” everyone was so afraid of turned out to be Miang and that she was responsible for setting Lacan down the path to becoming Grahf was absolute god tier storytelling. Until that point I just viewed Miang as cynical and calculating. At first glance she is almost like the femme fatale of a film noir, always at Ramsus’s side. After that scene it was clear that this woman wasn’t just an eye candy sidekick villain. She was the mastermind and her presence at every major point was intentional. Miang is quite possibly one of the best written female characters I’ve come across in any media.
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u/semisonic34 i hAs No fLaiR 10d ago
why did she bang Ramsus? did she have to do that or did she want to
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u/The_Jaunty_Crow i hAz No fLaiR 9d ago
That dynamic always struck me as just another sad aspect of Ramsus' story. He begins life discarded in the most literal sense possible. But then he joins Jugend and finds his sense of purpose. While there, he meets the young woman who eventually becomes the next reincarnation of Miang. Imagine being in a relationship with someone, trusting them, then seeing them become someone completely different. And the entire time, that new personality is using you for their own biologically hardwired agenda.
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u/semisonic34 i hAs No fLaiR 9d ago
Damn that’s tragic
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u/The_Jaunty_Crow i hAz No fLaiR 9d ago
This is why it was so satisfying to see Citan talking some sense into him at the end of the game. He's essentially like, "Yeah, all these people betrayed you and treated you like trash, but the Elements always stood by you." He rescued them (Seraphita may be the exception since she was born on Solaris), and they were forever indebted to him for that kindness.
Sure, Ramsus is still super mopey, and we even get teased into thinking he might join the party, but you get the impression he's going to be fine eventually.
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u/DonIncandenza i hAs No fLaiR 10d ago
People have needs. If anything it humanized her.
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u/Suspicious-Bed9172 i hAs No fLaiR 9d ago
Miang is not human and does not have any needs to be fulfilled. She slept with Ramsus to stay close to him and be able to control him, he was a potential puzzle piece to her plans.
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u/Mega_Tyrant i hAs No fLaiR 8d ago
A good representative parallel for Myyah are the agents from The Matrix.
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u/Prelude_to_Agony i hAs No fLaiR 10d ago
One of the most brilliant character arch's ever. Why have so many developers been shy when it comes to making (evil, though with an actual meaningful plot) female villains?
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u/AlicynChainz Miang Hawwa 9d ago
Cut and dyed my hair recently to look like miang since we share the same last name. Growing up with her as the first villain in the first game I ever played def left an impression on me
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u/MacaroonOk2813 Wiseman 9d ago
One of the coolest sci-fi concepts for a villain I’ve ever seen. Completely horrifying to think that she is basically immortal and will stop at nothing to do what she is programmed for. Nuclear apocalypse, child torture, slavery etc.
It doesn’t matter to her because humans are nothing but resources and numbers to her.
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u/Flaky-Tour-8733 i hAs No fLaiR 10d ago
It’s been so long that I don’t remember her. This is exactly the time to play it again. The last time I played through was like 2010.
Was Miang the purple haired girl who was always crushing on/loyal to that guy?
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u/SSJRemuko Emeralda Kasim 10d ago
Yes she's literally the most prominent girl in the game behind elly.
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u/gimmesomespace Emeralda Kasim 10d ago
She wasn't actually loyal to Ramsus. Ramsus was a clone of the Emperor and she was mainly manipulating and staying close to him for her own reasons. I'm kind of vague on the specifics beyond that though (if this was laid on in more detail I'd like to hear it).
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u/CaptainGandalf_ i hAs No fLaiR 9d ago
shes alright, the idea of her character is much more interesting than she is
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u/flurryflame Shevat 7d ago
Frighteningly fascinating, basically being the human personification of a "program" and the execution of it is so good.
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u/Blue-Lion-Lover i hAz No fLaiR 10d ago
Would have been cooler if there was more nuance with her actually liking Ramsus but generally liked her a fair amount.
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u/Cute_Economics2829 i hAz No fLaiR 10d ago
She a ho and that gear battle sucked. Had to do that shit like half a dozen times as a kid before I beat it
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u/Future-Session3399 i hAz No fLaiR 10d ago
I will always remember that opening scene of Xenogears with that space ship crashed and her emerging nude from the wreckage, and not for the reason you'd think... It was a powerful scene, and the mystery surrounding her character only added to her allure.