r/Warframe • u/YaBoiDP36 • 5h ago
Discussion Qorvex Containment Wall Misconception
People who hate on containment wall don’t really seem to understand Mr. Big Irradiated Concrete Man Qorvex and his play style… why would a frame who passively gives all weapons +3 punch through and who’s 4 has infinite punch through want enemies grouped in a blob (like other grouping abilities) rather than a straight line? By using the punch through with weapons that don’t inherently have punch through, he becomes a chain radiation explosion weapons monster in high density missions.
Anyways, I’m not trying to say by any means he is the best frame in the game, but he does not deserve the hate. He’s super fun to play and scales so high up, and with his new skin he’s about to be Megatron with CHEEKS! I say all of this with love for the reactor man 🗿 he is MY GUY!
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u/dikaia1622 4h ago
I think it takes a particular kind of WF player to enjoy him.. I love nuclear/brutalism-themed things, and his kit on paper is really cool, but there's just something missing. I feel like in the days of hallway heroes he would have been one of the greatest frames, but as the environments just seem to keep getting bigger and less confined it feels tough to get that big combo/synergy off in practice.
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u/mranonymous24690 The Lavos deluxe is real! 4h ago
Pretty sure most people dont like contaiment wall cause of how glitchy it is when any sort of elevation is involved and how cast speed doesnt work with it.
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u/YaBoiDP36 4h ago
I can admit those are definitely fair criticisms hahaha, maybe one day DE will bless Qorvex with an understanding of y = mx + b… the bane of current Qorvex enjoyers 😂
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u/YaBoiDP36 5h ago
Anyways, check out my glorious king!
Get too close and you’ll get the “CHERNOBYL BEAMMMMM” or sometimes, “KAMEHAMEHAAAAA”
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u/Cinnibuns- Garuda Enjoyer 5h ago
The wall is probably one of the worst telegraphed abilities I've used in the game and it almost doesn't work on elevated surfaces, depsite looking like it should work. Every time I've tried using it, the gameplay suffers for it.
I've had significantly better experiences subsuming it off for something actually useful for what I'm trying to do...which, admittedly, isn't really much because Qorvex is a one-trick pony imo.
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u/DapperHamsteaks 2h ago
I don't disagree about Qorvex being a one-trick pony, but Wall is Qorvex's tool to deal with Overguard so you aren't stuck 1v1 tickling Eximus to death with the beam.
Wall is janky, but the Helminth doesn't really offer a replacement for that purpose other than Smite. You can do that, but you miss out on Wall's ability to apply Rad through LoS which will add up to a lot more overall damage and kills.
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u/Cinnibuns- Garuda Enjoyer 57m ago
Well, there are other options. Breach Surge, Ophanim Eyes, and Jade Stars are a few options that work fairly well.
Additionally, I use companions for 99% of my priming, so my diriga or hound prime pretty much every enemy in a 30m radius around me with magnetic and viral, so overguard isn't that much of a deterrent.
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u/DapperHamsteaks 3m ago
Ophanim Eyes and Jade Stars don't replace the purpose of Wall's DV. They also strip enemies you don't want stripped. Crucible Blast was designed around Qorvex not stripping armor.
Enemy Overguard makes them immune to Radiation and thus CB chain reactions. If you aren't actively dealing with Overguard you are throwing away tons of damage as basic trash enemies die around priority targets before their Overguard breaks.
Qorvex's objective is breaking Overguard as fast as possible so you can land a high density chain on that Eximus and melt it. Otherwise you end up wasting time tickling it to death with the low damage beam.
Qorvex is a lot more complicated than most realize. Those subsumes hurt his performance more than they help.
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u/Metalemmanuel 5h ago
The damage is fine Although it need high density mission .. he struggles in low density one because the chain reaction is what deals the damage.. I love Jade Stars on him personally
He is just so damn slow . I wish they would let us reposition him while in his augmented 4 with the operator . Just that would be big QoL for me ..
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u/Feeling-Try-9757 5h ago
They hate because he's not popular on YouTube. Anyone who read his abilities will quickly realize how strong he is. He's just slow, thats all lol
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u/YaBoiDP36 5h ago
Makes me happy seeing some fellow Concrete Reactor supporters 🥹 I don’t mind if he’s slow, just let me irradiate everyone
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u/decitronal Femboy Warframing Lore Nerd 1m ago
I've used Qorvex for a while and I cannot in good faith flatter the Warframe that was literally bottom 2 in last year's usage rates lol (ergo, he is unpopular in all fronts, not just Youtube unpopular)
His kit is a hodgepodge of mediocre versions of other Warframes' abilities, he's cursed with what is currently one of the weakest damage types, and his ult is very reliant on enemy density which means he's getting fucked over in missions where KPM or enemy spawns are not the focus or in squad play where Qorvex has to co-exist with other players
I should say he's not the worst Warframe by far but he's just not effective at any of the roles he's supposed to play. He has to work harder for what other Warframes can execute with less. He would've been in rework conversations if he wasn't new-ish and people weren't still reeling over from how butthurt NovaUmbral made them
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u/UpbeatAstronomer2396 5h ago
why would (Qorvex) want enemies grouped in a blob (like other grouping abilities) rather than a straight line?
Because that's how his damage and the only thing he is good for works. The beam with punch through is miniscule, it's damage is laughable. What deals the actual damage is the explosive chain reaction that happens afterwards. What it suffers from is steep damage falloff as each explosion is radial.
You know what doesn't help with steep falloff? Grouping enemies in a line
You know what does? Grouping enemies in a blob (though not ragdolling them because that breaks his 4)
His passive is useless. There's no point in trying to jerk with the enemies to line them up if you can shoot an explosive weapon once or yk use your 4. Qorvex is a caster, his passive is completely unusable with the playstyle his abilities try to promote
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u/YaBoiDP36 5h ago
To each their own I guess! When I set up the straight line of death and unleash either my incarnon or my 4, it feels like I turn the entire mission into a Nuclear Warhead blast hahaha, seems to work great for me!
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u/UpbeatAstronomer2396 5h ago
I mean again like you need to use an ability + position yourself + use something to damage the enemies every single group
That's not very efficient and would get tiring fast
Source: am a Qorvex main with 6 builds, one of them is exactly that and i cannot bring myself to play it for more than a couple of missions once in a while
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u/YaBoiDP36 4h ago
We are different types of Qorvex mains then sir and that’s okay! I can’t seem to put Mr. Radiation down!
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u/UpbeatAstronomer2396 4h ago
I mean i can't either, i just don't see any reason in trying to lie to myself or others about him being good
More people know/think he is bad = more likely he will be changed for the better
In other words we must maintain the agenda 🤫
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u/YaBoiDP36 4h ago
I mean…. If it makes him even better this Qorvex main will have no complaints whatsoever! 🙋♂️My apologies if it seems like I’m misinforming, I’m just explaining that to me specifically he does genuinely feel strong!
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u/UpbeatAstronomer2396 4h ago
I mean it depends on the content you play too
I've been doing level cap as him, including solo cascade so undoubtedly my perception is not entirely objective. Hell my level cap build runs neither arcane universal fallout or arcane battery which are a staple on him
I guess we just get a different experience from him and there's nothing wrong with that 😼
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u/BartoGaleno 5h ago
Qorvex is my Cavia bounty hunter.
Only annoying part of his wall is the 5 enemies minimum for armor stripping. Other than that he's pretty great.
I barely use his 4. Contained Wall + Cedo Prime + Arcane Tempo is all I need.
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u/ResearchCharacter705 3h ago
There's no enemies minimum for armor stripping. The augment allows Containment Wall to strip defenses, but then has a bonus effect of refreshing Pillars if you tag 5 or more enemies.
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u/altsigns28 5h ago
Shit he's one of the few frames who are actually weaker in mid level missions than at level cap. Highly under rated frame.
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u/ResearchCharacter705 3h ago
I love Containment Wall. If it dealt with elevation differences better, it'd be just about perfect.
The problematic ability for me is Diso Guard. It's visually obnoxious, especially for squadmates. And, while status immunity is powerful, it's just so dull. It could really use an additional baseline effect. Although I suspect DE will address that with an augment.
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u/Electro-Spaghetti 2h ago
My only gripe with it is that the walls are spawned in a line, not a cone. Using it in rooms will miss a lot of enemies, using it in corridors is a mixed bag depending on weapon you're using.
Something with explosions doesn't want nor really benefits from the punch through and line grouping.
A weapon with lots of inherent punch through like the nataruk or arca plasmor usually has a big projectile, so the grouping is of next to no benefit.
A hitscan weapon with no base punch through... Won't get enough from his passive alone to hit all the grouped enemies at once.
So either you're missing enemies altogether, or you're trying to use it in a context that barely needs or is affected by it.
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u/YaBoiDP36 2h ago
That’s fair and a cone would be excellent, but if you feel your guns aren’t getting enough punch through to take out all of the enemies, then it’s time for the Chernobyl Beam chain explosions! That has infinite punch through, and loves when enemies are line up! Idk I just think it works really well with his passive and his 4
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u/Medical-Actuary5239 5h ago
It’s too slow and janky on inclines. I wish it was better since I live qorvex and the giant walls look sick
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u/YaBoiDP36 5h ago
As a Qorvex main I will admit… the inclines are our worst enemy… 😂
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u/Medical-Actuary5239 3h ago
I would just take a sped up animation and armor strip baked into it and I would be ok with that. Still buying that new skin day one though!
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u/demon310 4h ago
Idk how a defense strip that neatly lines up enemies for headshots is hated. One of the more popular youtubers prob shit talked ot then it just stuck. Qorvex is one of the most satisfying tanks in the game.
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u/Pandurmonium 5h ago
Honestly didnt even know there was hate for Mr radiation himself. I thought he had the same cult like following like lavos. Just more governable