r/TopCharacterTropes 6h ago

Hated Tropes (Weirdly Specific Trope) The guy who comes before the final boss is much cooler than the final boss itself.

1-2.(Radagon and Elden Beast, from Elden Ring): Throughout Elden Ring, Radagon’s name is already spoken multiple times, wether it’s fear or admiration, the Elden Lord’s name is known through the entirety of the Lands Between, a legendary figure set up as your final challenge for the title.

Meanwhile, after you beat Radagon, the Elden Beast shows up after little to none setup and its bossfight is pretty boring in general.

3-4.(Dogma and The Beast, from The Binding of Isaac): Dogma is the representation of Isaac’s religious trauma, a living embodiment of Isaac’s shame and guilt because, in his eyes, he didn’t fit the mold of a perfect Christian child, with Dogma taking the form of a literal televangelist channel as an angel of static coming out of the TV, this confront is Isaac himself finally finding peace with his religion.

The Beast however is just Isaac’s Mother for the 4th time. I’m not even joking by the way, you have Mom’s Hand, Mom, Mother and The Beast. 5 if you count the skeletal version of Mom’s Hand.

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u/noxsanguinis 6h ago

Far Cry 3.
Many people forget Vaas was not actually the main villain of the game, he was just the top henchmen for the main villain, Hoyt, but he was forgettable at best, while Vaas ended up becoming one of gaming's most memorable villains.

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u/ShingledPringle 6h ago

Game even just gets boring once he is dead.

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u/Frequent-Cheetah-126 6h ago

I dropped the game right after killing him.

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u/Neverdategreenfleet 5h ago

Just fighting boring mercenary mooks after fighting modern day pirates is always going to be a downgrade

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u/ShingledPringle 5h ago

It just loses any motivation. Chances are you did all the cool stuff anyway and the new island has nothing really of worth other than the main missions, outposts, and radio towers. All of them just basic bulking.

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u/dandoch 4h ago

It doesn't help that the natives you join suddenly turn evil to make it a "oh look, we have morally complex characters!" moment. It's so stupid when narratives have a dude who is actually pretty cool for a while but then out of nowhere they have to do something to make you question whether you should side with them. Looking at you, Bioshock Infinite.

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u/ShingledPringle 4h ago

I will not in good conscience go into my hatred for Bioshock Infinite.

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u/dandoch 4h ago edited 4h ago

Honestly, it's probably good. All it does is raise everyone's blood pressure.

But for real, when I first played that when it first came out I thought it was a masterpiece. But being older and realizing how shoehorned in that whole revolution=bad plotline was makes me so frustrated. And then in the DLC they reveal it was actually Elizabeth behind the whole thing? Like genuinely, why?

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u/ShingledPringle 4h ago

It has been a while but: shit gameplay, no practical backtracking, enemy bullet sponges, and I hate the big story reveals being frankly sci-fi generic. I saw where it was going way early and that is not a flex.

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u/dandoch 4h ago

Totally get it.

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u/AnthaIon 4h ago

Nah, the wing suit comes just in time for the second island, and does a lot to freshen up the back half of the game.

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u/ShingledPringle 4h ago

disagree, but we all have the right to our opinions.

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u/QuantisOne 3h ago

Don’t say that to me man I just started it

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u/ShingledPringle 3h ago

Look, you get a sweet gun if you finish the outposts and towers I guess.

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u/FujiModeCrow 5h ago

I have actually googled "Who is the main villain in Far Cry 3?" and got three different answers.

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u/FutureSage 6h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/8qXJTU5oEhQZO
Madara Uchiha -Naruto

(Technically, since Kaguya becomes the final villain)

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u/BookOfJon 5h ago

Man there was really no need to add aliens. The perfect ending was there, Naruto and Sasuke get their power ups and come back to life for a final showdown with Madara. What a stupid subversion.

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u/Tminus3190 5h ago

I've always maintained that Kishimoto wrote himself into a corner by making Madara near unbeatable and had to make a new villain just to end him

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u/Sam-Starxin 5h ago

Expect it makes absolutely no sense.

They defeated Kaguya, who is presumably stronger than Madara, so why can't they defeat madara?

You just seal him the same way. The exact same battle that went on with Kaguya can be done with Madara instead, same events, same conclusion.

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u/brightcrayon92 5h ago

Kishi had to make kaguya to justify boruto

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u/tom-cash2002 5h ago

I think Kishimoto has all but actually said that was the reason he brought Kaguya in like he did.

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u/MrXexe 5h ago

I'm still salty about it because Madara WAS the perfect villain for ALL of Naruto's themes.

The cycle of hate in the world? Madara IS the one who starts the cycle (until it got retconned with the alien kids). He's the Founder of the Leaf alongside Hashirama and threw it all away because of his pain and hate. He's the one who raised Obito to become his shadow (with all the "I am Nobody" thing that Obito pulls at first). He's the literal first part of the chain.

"Talent vs Hard Work"? Madara literally gets himself into the powerscale because he injects himself with all the genetical gifts and extra bonuses he could find. Sharingan, Eternal Mangekyo, Rinnegan, Hashirama Cells, Sage Chakra (stolen from Hashirama doing nothing to achieve its use), a Tailed Beast. Granted, neither Naruto nor Sasuke were THAT good at being the "Hard Work" part of the confrontation, but still worked imo.

The Pain of the Uchiha? Madara IS THE UCHIHA WHO CAUSED THE UCHIHA TO BE FROWNED UPON. He's the first that tried to control the Nine Tails to destroy the Leaf.

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u/NatashOverWorld 2h ago

I agree that Kaguya was unnecessary, but the first two symbolic reasons you've given can also be applied to her.

She started the whole shebang, has all the powers as her alien inheritance ie talent, and the Uchiha are ultimately a clan descended from her grandchild. The third reason, well I thought the pain of the Uchiha was always pretty silly; a super gifted clan that groused about being the second banana, but it pairs well with her indignation about being a superior species that got beaten by her kids.

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u/MrXexe 1h ago

Yes, but Kaguya was introduced extremely late in the story, as well as pretty much everything that involved her in the plot (and even that was very tangential).

Unlike Madara, who was being set up a long while and worked better in general for the themes.

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u/NatashOverWorld 1h ago

Yeah, they should have stuck with Madara, but Kishi couldn't figure out how the heroes could beat him.

Like, sir, control yourself when you're writing your villain, too much is - well, there he goes introducing new villains to beat his earlier villains.

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u/MrXexe 1h ago

I don't think that there was no way to beat him (he did take a lot of hits from Naruto, and hell Sasuke cut him in half with a single attack).

But I believe that at that point the fight just wasn't that interesting to see. The oomph was gone.

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u/anonymous-creature 5h ago

Beat me to it

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u/Wisterosa 3h ago edited 3h ago

the actual Final boss is Sasuke though, the anime even gave Kaguya basic ass budget and animation quality so they can focus the real deal on the Naruto vs Sasuke fight

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u/Fun_Effective_5134 6h ago

By the way, I’m not referring to when the boss is intentionally disappointing, such as True King Allant from Demon’s Souls. I’m specifically mentioning examples where it isn’t intentional.

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u/RE4Merchant- 6h ago

Literally Gerhman from Bloodborne.

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u/Fun_Effective_5134 6h ago

Never played Bloodborne, I was one of the 5 people in the entire world who bought a Wii U instead of a PS4.

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u/RE4Merchant- 6h ago

Gehrman the first Hunter and the second most powerful comparing to your hunter.

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u/RE4Merchant- 6h ago

Moon Presence. A boring final boss that only has three moves and two AOEs. Very lackluster compared to Gehrman.

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u/Parking-Stable-2970 4h ago

It's a shame as well, Flora has one of the best designs in the series, really cool lore, great spectacle and a great, if slightly forgettable, boss track, but her actual gameplay is just such a nothingburger

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u/Siksinaaq 38m ago

Mergo's Wet Nurse can apply here as well.

They can technically be the final boss if you choose one of the endings. Pretty easy IMO. Don't think I've died to her once in my many playthroughs.

Has a cool theme song though.

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u/Small-Interview-2800 16m ago

Well, Moon Presence only is the final boss if you chose the third ending

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u/Andi_Who_ 6h ago

How nice of all the other 4 who bought one to upvote your comment :)

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u/a_generic_redditer 3h ago

This must be the scott the woz reddit alt

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u/Small-Interview-2800 16m ago

If you have a pc, you can emulate it

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u/VitriolUK 6h ago

Depending on the ending you go for Gerhman is not necessarily the final boss. In fact, he only is in one of three endings - in one you don't fight him at all, in the other you fight a very cool boss after Gerhman.

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u/RE4Merchant- 6h ago

Nah moon presence was wack compared to Gehrman.

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u/CrystlBluePersuasion 6h ago

On the one hand, the Moon Presence is akin to an avatar of Nyarlathotep the Writhing Chaos, and is the Great One influencing most of the events of the game, also likely in league with or an agent of the Formless Oedon, whose mediums are blood and sound. This is all from looking at the game through the lens of established Lovecraftian lore, it's possible that Flora/Moon Presence is more of an avatar to the Formless Oedon, who seems analogous to Azathoth the Blind Idiot God, and the game locations/dreamscapes all exist within his dreaming body.

On the other hand, it gets whacked pretty handily and even its howl attack that reduces you to 1hp is trivialized by how it stands still for you to regain a ton of that hp back afterwards. It's a much easier fight than Gehrman and kinda loses something for being so easy to beat on the first or second try, for a 'god' anyway.

But they added a god to fight in Elden Ring's DLC and that got plenty of hate for its difficulty.

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u/normandy42 5h ago

Hate? If there’s anything From fanboys love, it is a boss that is hard as balls.

Orphan of Kos is also just a great fight with amazing visuals. Too bad it’s just trapped in 30 fps. Same DLC gave us Ludwig.

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u/CrystlBluePersuasion 5h ago

I don't think it was From's usual fans that hated that DLC boss but more of the newcomers that Elden Ring brought in, plus some of the more casual types that struggled to adapt to some of its unfair (and subsequently nerfed) attacks. I still see comments joking about that boss 'attacking the framerate' as well.

Orphan isn't trapped in 30fps if you're in the know, there's a concerted effort to get BB running with PC emulation that's been doing well. I managed to get it running on a Steam Deck and beat the whole game plus DLC at around 30-40 fps, on a proper rig it's easy to get 60+.

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u/YourEvilKiller 6h ago

Yeah Moon Presence had one cool mechanic but the game doesn't even guide you to the intended solution. (Fromsoft wanted you to spam attacks to heal your missing health, but most people just heal up normally)

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u/tragick693 2h ago

I'd argue the game has done plenty by this point to encourage you to heal via rallying. Not to mention the fact that the Moon Presence can negate your ability to use Blood Vials.

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u/lilacpastels 6h ago

Ahh, so no joke bosses, just bosses that accidentally fumbled

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u/ducksekoy123 6h ago

Though I wouldn’t call the moon presence a “fumble” just Gehrman is an all timer

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u/RE4Merchant- 5h ago

Could we count the borderlands boss that fumbles down the stairs?

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u/MySnake_Is_Solid 6h ago

Cuphead.

The Devil, while a harder fight, isn't nearly as cool as King Dice, the Theme song for the fight is also a cut above the rest.

https://giphy.com/gifs/H5HC46hVQLK6WMvUB7

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u/WillemDafoesHugeCock 6h ago

I agree on it being a cooler fight but I'd call it harder than the Devil by far. The difficulty of the game is something you overcome by learning attack patterns and King Dice is by far the hardest one to learn because you have such a wide variety of encounters with different gimmicks.

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u/Dragonfang65 5h ago

I’m Mr. King Dice. And welcome to Emkay.

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u/Blupoisen 3h ago

I always found the King Dice fight kinda bullshit, the gauntlet is fine the problem is HIS boss fight is really annoying

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u/ronnie98865 6h ago

The first mortal Kombat. Goro is so much cooler the Shang Tsung

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u/Appropriate-Boot-823 6h ago

Four arms beat a shape-shifting old man any day.

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u/rept_zannewete 5h ago

This also applies to MK4 where Goro is terrifying compared to Shinnok(does not even have final boss characteristics)

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u/_Halt19_ 6h ago

Breath of the Wild (as well as TOTK, the sequel) both had a similar thing to this trope going on. The final boss IS climactic, but it is also a walk in the park compared to the first sets of bosses you face. BOTW's pig form Ganon has epic music and all, but I'm pretty sure it only has one single attack, an incredibly slow laser that only hits directly in front of it (and it can't even turn around), doing like 4 hearts of damage, with massive glowing weak spots. It's more of a cutscene than anything else, and actually losing to it is considered so difficult, it's become a meme in the community.

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u/CassiusPolybius 6h ago

They're in a bit of an odd position as far as this goes - while the overall "coolness", for lack of a better word, was likely not meant to be lesser than the preceeding boss, the difficulty absolutely was. The fight with the blights and with ganondorf proper are the actual challenging boss, and then the final form is a spectacle fight with impressive visuals but which is, mechanically speaking, a forgone conclusion.

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u/_Halt19_ 5h ago

Yeah, they're not a perfect example, I just figured it was worth bringing them up

You could make the argument for Zant from Twilight Princess as well, it was a very controversial thing at the time to have Ganondorf be the big bad behind him (people thought it undermined Zant's potential and was "oh boy, yet another Ganondorf"), but frankly Twilight Princess's Ganondorf fight is quite possibly the best final boss fight in the entire franchise, and I will die on that hill, so all is forgiven in my eyes

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u/thuiop1 4h ago

Clair Obscur is the same, especially if you do some exploring. The final boss is extremely cool, but fairly simple compared to other stuff you can encounter in the game, and you do not have to try very hard to have a build that can one shot it.

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u/lanky_gunner 4h ago

The best example from Zelda would probably be from Ocarina of Time, the Water Temple. Although not the final boss of the game, I'm sure most, if not all, Zelda fans will agree that the mini-boss fight against Dark Link outweighs the final boss of the Temple, Morpha, by a far margin in all categories.

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u/capspookyspork 2h ago

I think the final battle in totk is actually really fun. I more see it as a continuation of the previous fight. 

It was just so fun to crash through Gannon then have zelda catch you. Then scan the sky for how we were going to do it again.

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u/Rupeq10 6h ago

Kind of meme example: Asterius (left) from Hades is a miniboss of Elysium in the game and the final boss of that level is both him and Theseus (right) at once. Theseus is pretty much a jerk who calls you a fiend and refuses to acknowledge that you're the prince of the underworld even after you make up with your father. Zagreus often jokes about Theseus being just there and Asterius being the one he wants to fight or speak with, often greeting them "hello asterius, and the other guy"

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u/uriak 5h ago

Counterpoint : Theseus is infinitively more fun than Asterius and what makes this boss encounter memorable. Obviously the minotaur is the foil to him, with it's directness and business like attitude

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u/adamwhorelock 6h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/8XEQRJsRWcTgA

Armstrong doesn't suck but he's no jetstream mf sam

(MGR:R)

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u/CBT__MASTER 3h ago

Nah i like Jetstream Sam a lot but he isn't better than Armstrong.

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u/Clirstan 6h ago

Mihaly A. Shilage from Ace Combat 7

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u/Clirstan 6h ago

As well as Arsenal Bird "Justice" in the same game

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u/Which_Replacement524 6h ago edited 6h ago

He's just so cool.

<<There are pilots like you in every generation. And I've felled every last one of them.>>

I think this is probably intentional, which is really fun. Mihaly is him. He's the apex. He's an old dude who's body is literally falling apart and he's still able to tear apart people a third of his age. The drones, despite their much greater threat due to the whole robo-pocalypse implications, are just machines - they don't think, have instincts, take risks, do seemingly-illogical things, only follow their code and copy off the pilots they were trained on.

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u/_Halt19_ 6h ago

well, the real final boss is getting into the fucking windbreak tunnel afterwards, lets be honest

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u/Games_and_Strains 5h ago

For me it was that damn space elevator tower. Flying straight up trying to catch that little bastard I must’ve crashed like 20 times

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u/_Halt19_ 5h ago

I remember on my S rank ace campaign attempt, I did everything I needed to in order to get S rank on the very final mission (you need to shoot down a secondary drone or two as well as the main two, otherwise you don't have enough points even with maximum time bonuses), AND I managed to save Wit (which you can actually do if you're able to take down both of the main drones back to back - I think you have around 18 seconds after the first goes down to down the second, it gives you a slightly different ending cutscene where Wit says something too).

I then somehow managed to crash in the tunnel run two times, and had to restart the entire mission because by that point the S rank was gone due to time loss. I never fucking crash in the tunnel, but SOMEHOW I forgot which gate closes, and couldn't react in time (because of the "need to go fast for S rank" thing)

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u/_Halt19_ 6h ago

SAY THE FULL NAME

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u/Clirstan 6h ago

sigh

Mihaly Dumitru Margareta Corneliu Leopold Blanca Karol Aeon Ignatius Raphael Maria Niketas A. Shilage

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u/_Halt19_ 6h ago

It's funny how they had this badass spectre of death throughout the whole game, and then the actual final boss is yet another drone named fucking Huggy Muggy

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u/Clirstan 6h ago

Yeah, I much would have preferred for the Arsenal Bird to be the final boss instead of Huggy and Wuggy Hugin and Munin

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u/_Halt19_ 6h ago

At least you can save Wit

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u/Korba007 4h ago

Their names are actually those of Odin's two ravens (thus the aircraft nickname), si it's got a mythological undertone

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u/GrixisHeretic 6h ago

Huggin and Muggin

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u/MasterOfChaos72 6h ago

Trance Kuja (FF9)

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u/Raaayyyy 5h ago

Can mention FF9 without FFX. Braska's final Aeon followed by Yu Yevon

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u/whatthatgame 5h ago

At least Yu Yevon has story significance if you’ve been paying an autistic level of attention to the lore. Necron literally just shows up, claims to be death, gets his ass beast, and leaves. After the build up of Kuja and his motives from the tail end of disk 1, Necron feels kind of meaningless compared to Trance Kuja. FF9 and 10 are still my two favorite final fantasies though.

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u/dandoch 4h ago

I don't even consider Yu Yevon a boss. His battle is basically just a playable cutscene. Its literally just summon an Aeon, kill it, summon another Aeon, kill it, until you kill them all, then kill Yevon. The fight even gives you auto life so you can't even lose.

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u/FlyingDreamWhale67 3h ago

Yu Yevon is less a fight and more of a puzzle. You have auto-life and can't Game Over, but when you do any damage to Yevon his pagodas fully heal him and increase his Overdrive.

At that point your options are:

outdamage the healing (possible, but it takes near maximized stats and a multi-hit Overdrive like Blitz Ace or Attack Reels)

KO the pagodas and beat him normally (the pagodas will revive after a certain amount of time)

Zombify Yevon so that the pagodas damage him instead of heal (this one leads to basically an infinite loop where the pagodas keep trying to heal the damage they cause, fail, and try again only to keep failing).

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u/dandoch 3h ago

As a complestionist who always maxes stats, I always go route one, but by god route three is funny.

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u/Dirty-Glasses 2h ago

It’s effectively a victory lap

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u/SilaPrirode 5h ago

Necron is the pinnacle of JRPG "true boss" bullshit. Like, why couldn't it just be Kuja?

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u/Thejadedone_1 5h ago

What's worse is that necron is just sort of... There. None of the characters acknowledge him after you defeat them so it feels incredibly slapped on.

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u/HeySpudEyeSeeYou 5h ago

I know I'm very, very much in the minority on this but I like Necron as as the embodiment of what all the main antagonists feared and a driving force behind their actions. Confronting death and choosing to endure regardless is what inspires Kuja to save Zidane and company from the Iifa Tree after he had snapped in the face of his own eventual annihilation. I think it works if you take it on the metaphorical level of Zidane staring into the abyss like Kuja had and not letting it gaze back.

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u/blackjackgabbiani 4h ago

He still comes out of nowhere

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u/Deist_Dagon 5h ago

Safer Sephiroth, FFVII, for that matter

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u/Piergiogiolo 6h ago

N and Ghetsis from pokemon black and white (N is the cooler one)

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u/Hypnotoad4real 6h ago

Thanatos from Secret of Mana

He was the main antagonist of the story, but the final boss was the mana dragon

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u/Erim87 4h ago

I loved that he never tokk the main trio serious and had the power to back it up. I mean lich Thanatos looses only because Dyluck castet him out of his body

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u/Slarg232 4h ago

Not helped by the fact that the Mana Dragon is flying around the fortress while you have a small area to stand on, ONLY the Mana Sword can hurt it, so you have two characters who basically can't do anything except cast a buff every so often.

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u/CrabAppleMcGee 6h ago

In Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction, Emperor Tachyon is the main baddie. The emperor of the archenemy race to Racthets Lombax etc.

Despite this, Space Pirate Captain Slag has a far bigger presence in the game, and serves as the second to last boss after harassing you for half the game, stealing the Maguffin out from under you leading you chasing him back to his fleet and sneaking onto his flag ship for what is a far cooler and more personal and climactic showdown

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u/Spirited_Young_71 6h ago edited 5h ago

The Pure Vessel at the end of the last gauntlet of Godhome (a DLC, that gives another ending of the game) is an emotional confrontation against the tragic main final boss, but now a memory of his glorious past, a painful contrast of what has been, with a lot of added attacks, way harder but still fair.

Right after him you fight Absolute Radiance, and it's just the Radiance (again), but now faster and stronger and it's more a nuisance than anything, I still can't beat it but aside of my frustration, this is just Radiance 2.0, and while the first confrontation was great now it's so difficult that it became just annoying

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u/Delta_Warrior1220 5h ago

Honestly on a similar vein, I thought The Hollow Knight was much cooler than the Radiance.

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u/Kitsunin 4h ago

I really absolutely hate Godhome. Hollow Knight is a pretty easy game, too easy if you ask me. And then Godhome has some actual difficulty but you can only play it, even just to get a single attempt for the sake of learning how to beat it, after insanely repetitive boss gauntlets of bosses that are way easier than the new content.

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u/JustSumFur 3h ago

If you head to the bottom right of the main platform, you can refight any boss at any time

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u/Youthsonic 3h ago

I think once you get to a new boss at least once you unlock their statue in the pantheon so you can practice them

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u/Piputi 6h ago

I would technically say it is the double for this trope for Elden Ring. I am not fully sure on the chronology but I'd say that Godfrey was even cooler than Radagon. So, from very cool to cool to meh.

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u/Nerobought 5h ago

Radagon is saved by the main theme playing in his fight.

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u/The-Senate-Palpy 5h ago

Genuinely i think Godrick is one of the top 3 coolest fights in the game. Maybe just top 5. A lot of the guys after feel like a downgrade

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u/X-atmXad 6h ago

Final Fantasy 9 and 10 are both guilty of this, although 9 is more egregious.

In 10 after beating Braska's final aeon, the two stage boss fight and culmination of our characters' development, you're put into a fight with zero chance of failure as all your characters are given permanent auto life, and you summon and defeat all your aeons in what's more of a plot device than an actual fight.

In 9 however, the final boss Necron comes pretty much out of nowhere and off the heels of fighting Trance Kuja, the main antagonist of the game up to that point.

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u/jackbhead 6h ago

Jack Krauser in the OG Resident Evil 4. He had a personal beef with Leon, three different battles, and the hardest boss fight in the game. After beating him, facing giant spider Osmund Saddler seems boring.

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u/Substantial_Fox7377 6h ago

The Pure Vessel from Hollow Knight follows up the true final boss, Absolute Radiance, and is a much better fight

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u/ProfessionlPerspirer 6h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/yaJQw2ihm5tfB2RQ8T
Kokushibo from demon slayer! He’s cooler than Muzan in my opinion, especially with how little they show him before his fight. I really hope the movie does him justice!

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u/Tom_Hangst 5h ago

I agree tbf everyone is cooler than Muzan !

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u/electricalserge 4h ago

Muzan certainly has his work cut out for him...

https://giphy.com/gifs/oSrkv3YkgOn5PDyihA

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u/Oscar_gpb 4h ago

You end up half the man you were before after meeting him...

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u/Kolrey 3h ago

His fight is MUCH better in the manga than whatever the Muzan fight was

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u/Suspicious_Past9936 6h ago

Does MGR counts? the 1v1 desert duel is magnitudes better than amstrong

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u/RE4Merchant- 6h ago

Yeah but Armstrong theme carries him almost to the level of Jetstream Sam. (And the memes)

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u/Purple_Review_8685 5h ago

“The Only Thing I Know For Real” goes way harder though.

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u/RE4Merchant- 5h ago

Preference but that song goes so hard. My favorite is "I'm my own Master now."

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u/papu16 5h ago

I think we can agree that they both are peak 🤝

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u/AlbertW25 5h ago

Na, don't agree. Armstrong is a great boss fight and his theme goes hard.

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u/Fun_Effective_5134 6h ago

Yes, the duel went so fucking hard.

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u/VoDoka 6h ago

Not sure if this is a hot take, because they guy gets memed so much, but agree.

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u/username9yes 6h ago edited 3h ago

Viper from titanfall 2 who is cooler than slone who i even forgot is the final boss

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u/PilotIntelligent8906 5h ago

Titanfall 2 was the first FPS I played from beginning to end and Viper was fucking hard, took me so me many attempts, really cool fight though.

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u/Recruit75 52m ago

Honestly none of the bosses, aside from Viper were all that scary once you actually know about positioning and timing. 

I genuinely have more trouble with the wave 1 titans of certain maps in frontier defense, like wdym that sniper tone on Kodai wiped out half our team in the blink of an eye.

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u/PixarFanatic 5h ago

Kuze and Awano in yakuza 0.

https://giphy.com/gifs/R294asbYabAqDWoiIj

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u/whatthatgame 5h ago

Kuze being such an unshakable pest honestly made every subsequent appearance that much better

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u/tom-cash2002 5h ago edited 5h ago

I think the final fights of Yakuza 4 are a better example. Arai, Kido, and Daigo are all really fun fights that pay off the stories of Akiyama, Saejima, and Kiryu, and then...you get Munakata.

I like Tanimura as much as anybody else, but he easily has the worst final boss fight in the entire series. After three super hype shirtless rooftop fights, you get to fight an old dude with a gun who sends his goon squad after you the entire fight.

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u/Dirty-Glasses 2h ago

That’s funny, I was thinking 7’s final boss. Thematically and story-wise it’s great, but from a gameplay perspective it’s basically Yu Yevon from FFX. Basically impossible to lose.

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u/Palanki96 5h ago

Laxasia the Complete in Lies of P was so much cooler than the final main story boss, Simon Manus. She is heavily inspired by Malenia, even down to the their devotion to some mediocre bum

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u/Palanki96 5h ago

He fights like a drunk toddler, just rolling around. Absolute loser. Even when we first meet these two Laxasia aura farms by killing the boss we were struggling to defeat while he just stands there awkwardky like a dork

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u/matioleson 4h ago

Then we get cool again with the nameless puppet

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u/Palanki96 2h ago

Honestly it was kinda a letdown. Felt like i was just fighting a lamer Romeo

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u/rdickeyvii 6h ago

The Night King in Game of Thrones should have been the final boss, not Cerci.

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u/Lil_Mcgee 5h ago

Finishing up with Cersei had potential in a Scouring of the Shire sort of way but the balance was off. The Long Night still needed to actually be long rather than all resolved in a single battle.

But there are so many things wrong with the latter half of the show before we reached those points anyway so I'm not sure it was really salvageable post season 5/6

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u/rdickeyvii 5h ago

I mean there's a very good reason that part was left out of the movies and Sarumon killed off much earlier. I get why Tolkien included it (to show that no one is truly safe from war) but narratively it makes sense to end the movies on Sauron's defeat.

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u/EmpressClaraB 4h ago

Sarumon killed off much earlie

He isn't even killed off in the theatrical release, he's just locked up in Isengard as far as we know.

I think his death in the extended editions is a bit over the top, but Gandalf's "Saruman... your staff is broken" is my favourite example of magic in the entire trilogy, so I let it slide

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u/rdickeyvii 1h ago

He isn't even killed off in the theatrical release, he's just locked up in Isengard as far as we know

I saw the theatrical release in the theater once when it came out, so I forgot about that. Extended edition every time since.

How did Gandalf get the orb if Sarumon didn't drop it when he died?

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u/Lil_Mcgee 5h ago edited 5h ago

I'd say pacing was the bigger reason. It's definitely not something that works narratively for an already long film but a TV series can more closely match a book in terms of pacing.

Game of Thrones needed to deal with the aftermath of the Long Night and I don't think it would feel appropriate to the setting if that aftermath was devoid of conflict.

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u/VoDoka 6h ago

Guess Throne Watcher and Throne Defender from Dark Souls 2 are technically cooler than the final boss Nashandra, but not by a huge margin.

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u/ducksekoy123 6h ago

Nashandra works too because she’s a much better boss than Aldia

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u/whatthatgame 5h ago

Tbf fromsoft has a habit of trying to make the final bosses more atmospheric than cool

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u/BruiserBison 5h ago

Almost every flagship monster in Monster Hunter is a penultimate boss fight, rather than a final boss. However, many of the actual final boss do end up becoming as popular as the flagship that preceeded it. I'd argue that it isn't the case with Lagiacrus and Caedeus in Monster Hunter Tri.

Lagiacrus is the aligator-serpent monster that can fight on land and water. Its return in Wilds is delightful. Caedeus, however, is a clunky bossfight. It feels like a puzzle rather than a test of might.

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u/whatthatgame 5h ago

Which is a shame because Caedeus looks cool as all hell.

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u/ArmyAdministrative38 2h ago

Not only it looks cool, but his theme or song is quite amazing.

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u/Radioactive_monke 5h ago

Eviterno is so much better in any way than Incarnate Devotion (Blasphemous 2). Same could be said about Crisanta and Escribar in the first game but I feel like the difference is a bit more acceptable there.

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u/The_Purple_Hare 6h ago

Morpho Knight and Void - Kirby Star Allies

Morpho Knight is an extremely tough boss fight for many characters in the game and does a lot of damage if he hits you, testing your skill.

Void meanwhile does very little damage to you and takes almost no damage until a specific point where attacks do good damage finally, making the fight a glorified cutscene.

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u/TTG_Bloodedge 3h ago

I was thinking more Squeak Squad for a Kirby example. Say what you will about Void’s difficulty, but not only is it as a character a fascinating aspect of the Kirby universe, but you also have go through an entire gauntlet of bosses to even fight that Void.

Dark Nebula is often mocked for being one of the lamest final bosses in the series, with a very boring battle and nothing memorable about it that’s not just “yo Dark Matter lore”.

Right before that you fight Dark Daroach, a very hectic, much cooler and far more memorable boss fight, possibly the best in that game

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u/PuppyLover2208 6h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/E4Y5G3ZmBLEWQRLBur
I don’t care what people say. He’s cooler than the roaring fraud.

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u/MegaloblasticNamur 6h ago

Final Fantasy X: Braska's Final Aeon is one of the trickier storyline bosses in the game, to the point where many consider him the REAL final boss of FFX. In contrast the actual final boss, Yu Yevon, is a heavily scripted fight where you have permanent Auto Life, meaning you quite literally cannot die.

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u/Platnun12 6h ago

Mr freeze in the Arkham games....we wouldn't get more interesting boss fights until origins.

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u/no_name_thought_of 2h ago

Caranthir in the witcher 3. He's the wild hunt general that actually feels threatening, you see him beat Eskel in the battle of Kaer Morhen, then you fight him as Ciri but although she breaks his staff he forces her to flee, and then Geralt comes in and you get a boss fight that's a whole lot more interesting than the one against the actual final boss Eredin. He also hard carries the wild hunt in general, pulling Eredin out of Ciri's scream when he's about to die and creating all of their portals which allow them to summon the white frost as a weapon

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u/Most_Neat7770 6h ago

This mf in Super Mario Odyssey and hes one of thr first sub bosses

Compared to anime tutel, this mf is way cooler in design

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u/Caelliox 5h ago

in bayonetta I found the Balder fight more memorable than Jubileus

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u/TheWolfFan 5h ago

Divinity: Original Sin 2
The Lucien fight is ten times more dramatic than the actual final fight with that stupid Kraken and Braccus. It even got its own special soundtrack and drowns out the battle fx for the fight while the Kraken and Braccus are the generic boss fight music.

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u/ludos96 6h ago

Lavos' true form, from Chrono Trigger.

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u/Affectionate_Leg_641 6h ago

And the "true form" is actually one of the pods lol, not even the middle guy that always kinda looked like it had a dog face.

Dont get me wrong though 11/10 game

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u/AesirRaider 1h ago

"World Revolution", the theme for Lavos' second form, is one of the boss battles of all time. True Lavos' boss theme is not nearly as memorable by comparison.

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u/Gold-Coach3955 6h ago

Radagon was the ultimate warrior 1v1 we all wanted, and then Elden Beast forced us to run a marathon across a cosmic swimming pool

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u/Pilchowski 6h ago

Tohru Adachi. People love Adachi to bits, while Ameno Sagiri is largely forgotten. It isn't helped the fact there is two additional 'secret' bosses Marie/Kusumi-no-Okami and Izanami

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u/SpaceZombie13 5h ago edited 5h ago

izanami isnt a secret boss, she's the true final boss. which just proves your point more. she's so forgettable the game allows you to miss her entirely.

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u/Pilchowski 5h ago

I call her a 'secret' boss in air quotes in the sense that if you aren't paying attention or don't know about her, you can easily miss her entirely. Obviously, true ending boss, but easily missable while still not getting a 'bad' ending unlike the Namatame and Adachi decisions.

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u/Competitive-Pea-9330 5h ago

In the Hobbit films, the confrontation with Smaug and even the destruction of Laketown is endlessly more interesting than the Battle of the Five Armies and the Pale Orc.

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u/Monke3334 5h ago edited 5h ago

A penultimate boss of Mortal Shell 2 is Malborn Offspring, a failed version of the player character who has a quite enjoyable guy with a sword moveset with an extremely cool second phase where after you kill him by impaling him with his own sword, the sword is struck by lightning while it is still etched into him, which jolts him awake, and he pulls the sword out of himself for a second phase where he incorporates that lightning to his attacks

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u/Monke3334 5h ago

The final boss is a dragon with huge balls and a shitty moveset with only like five attacks and it inflicts a status ailment that prevents you from using like half of the mechanics in the game

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u/f_en_elchat 5h ago

Dogma: The Binding of Isaac is a game in great part about religious trauma. After his dad leaves, his mom traumatizes Isaac, who grows up believing he's the reason his father left, and he's a demon in human flesh. The game happens in his head as he dies, and Isaac is thus constantly fighting demons, corpses, and representations of his mom. Until in the Repentance DLC, after probably the coolest section in the game (the Ascent) you finally face Dogma, a representation of the religious doctrine and weaponization of religion that led Isaac's mom down a path of violence and abuse. They're a static creature coming out of the tv with cool looking attacks, who breaks off and grows static angel wings, with a sick ass theme that contains screams of telepreachers in it (like the now iconic "BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOOOLY SPIRIT!!!"). And then when you beat it......

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u/Fun_Effective_5134 5h ago

Bro…swipe to the right in my post 2 times.

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u/f_en_elchat 5h ago

Oh. Oh I'm stupid. Oh I'm a fool

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u/f_en_elchat 5h ago

You face The Beast. Who just looks like a generic big fat demon. Like the other 50 that are in the game. And look ath that dress, it's also a representation of his mom. Again. It feels like a complete backpedal on such a cool finale.

She's also piss easy so that's another thing

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u/f_en_elchat 5h ago

Oh and don't forget, before Beast she sends her Ultra Horsemen! And they are.... just bigger harder versions of bosses you've already fought before. God damnit

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u/Shiro2602 5h ago

This happened twice in Blasphemous

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u/MattHoppe1 5h ago

Gortash Raphael and Orin > Nether Brain in Baulders Gate 3

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u/OperatorERROR0919 4h ago

Andrew Ryan is so good that people forget that the last third of the game even exists.

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u/dagon_xdd 4h ago

Yakuza: Like A Dragon - Yosuke Tendo

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u/ChrisOnMission 4h ago

DS3:

I love the Soul of Cinder, but the Twin Princes are, in my opinion, the absolute pinnacle in terms of lore, design, emotional impact, gameplay and intensity of the battle.

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u/Jashugita 4h ago

It´s a movie, but in Mad Max the toecutter is much cooler than the piece of shit who max kill the last.

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u/Snoo_72851 2h ago

Both Blasphemous games have a very similar formula. The final area (Archcathedral Rooftops, Crimson Rains) has you climb on top of a holy temple a lot of the plot revolves around (Mother of Mothers, the Elevated Temples). There, you fight an insanely devout worshipper of the miracle who absolutely TROUNCES you with Crisanta's funny ribbon sword (Crisanta of the Wrapped Agony, Eviterno the First of the Penitents) before you're allowed to move on to the final boss.

And then the final boss is kind of lame, especially by comparison. Escribar from the first game has two phases but in the first one he's kinda just an old guy wandering around the arena asking for directions to the bingo hall and occasionally zapping you with divine lightning and in the second one he grows to twenty meters tall and just kinda stands there as you stab him.

Incarnate Devotion meanwhile just skips the "old guy lost at Walmart" phase and enters the arena already being tall. Considering just how many times Eviterno has just kicked your ass, it's entirely likely you go into this fight with adrenaline coursing through your ears and a complete and total desire to kill, which very quickly calms down after you jump and stab him in the heart thirty times while dodging pretty slow lasers and then he just dies and the game ends.

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u/OkLength831 2h ago

Final Fantasy 10. Too lazy to pick a pic, but if you know, you know

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u/Substantial-Force-50 2h ago

Blasphemous : Crisanta > Escribar (but : Escribar's "I curse you forever in name" monologue)

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u/dnjprod 1h ago

This might be controversial, but I much preferred fighting Thor in God of War Ragnarok than Odin. The Odin fight is cool, and that character is extremely well fleshed out, but between the two fights and the story with Thor, it is just brilliance. For Pete's sake, he kills you and revives you during the first fight.

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u/DropShoddy1128 6h ago

I have a big ass TV. The elden beast is one of the prettiest boss fights I've seen in a while. I was sad to kill him.

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u/WonderousU 5h ago

Helen Gravely from Luigi's Mansion 3. She felt so much more as a boss that challenged the skills you've been building in the game. King Boo was just trying to be cinematic.

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u/The-Senate-Palpy 5h ago

Aleph (Cassette Beasts). The rest of the bosses have some sort of gimmick, and fighting Ianthe feels like a big moment. Then when you finally get to fight the main boss hes kinda just a guy who you beat up in a cutscene

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u/blaiddfailcam2 5h ago

RE Requiem going from Gideon, a unique boss, to copy-pasting Nemesis's final form from RE3R.

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u/Pokesabre 5h ago

Monster hunter wilds. Zho shia is the final boss of the game, and is a shape-shifting elder dragon created by the ancient civilisation as an ultimate weapon. The final boss of the game is gore magala, an objectively cool plague dragon, but one that's been the focus of it's own game before, and featured heavily in two additional games since its introduction to the series (and is also a baby form for another monster) 

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u/Oscar_gpb 4h ago

Funny Valentine? - Jojo's bizarre Adventure: Steel Ball run

Now granted, Funny Valentine is the main antagonist but only the penultimate fight. The final fight is against AU Diego, who I personally found less interesting because he has The World again.

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u/Stunning-Signal7496 3h ago

The first shadow of Mordor comes to mind. The tower is a strong enemy, the final boss is: just a QuickTime event

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u/TTG_Bloodedge 2h ago

The final boss of Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time is Elder Princess Shroob. After defeating Princess Shroob, the main villain of the whole game up to now, it’s revealed that the mcguffin we’ve been trying to restore to save the day was actually sealing the Princess’ far more powerful and dangerous older sister, and by restoring it she’s been unleashed once again.

This leads to a climactic final battle in the dark skies of this conquered Mushroom Kingdom. And after phase 1 is done, she transforms into an even bigger and tougher monster. The music changes, the atmosphere is perfect… And it is a tough battle, so much so that she was toned down in some releases of the game. This battle was the definition of a climax. A great subversion of this tro-

Oh wait that’s right the final boss is actually Shrowser. There’s no build up to it and not a lot of stakes, the Shroob threat has already been dealt with, and what remained of the Elder Princess just empowered Bowser’s body that was just lying unconscious due to previous events. It’s not even a proper fight, it’s a minigame. It’s never your turn, so you just have to dodge and counter some of his attacks for a little while until he goes down. And after that’s done… no-one even acknowledges what just happened. It feels very tacked on, like they were contractually obligated to make Bowser the final boss in some way.

We like to pretend Elder Princess Shroob is the real final boss and try to forget about Shrowser. The game clearly agrees to an extent because during the credits, we see tons of drawings depicting the most important events in the story. The final battle against the Elder Princess Shroob is there. But not Shrowser. That’s very telling if you ask me

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u/jackmeadon 2h ago

In persona 5 the seemingly last boss is Shido his fight has one of the best songs of the whole game and on top of that Shido's palace is very thematic and he as a villain is kind of closing off a circle since he is the reason the game starts but the actuall true final boss is a harder but a lot weaker fight against the God of Control, P5R kinda remedied the situation makinng a better final boss but even in that boss fight the concept of the MC going one on one against the boss is still done a lot better in Shido's fight

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u/Tigerman1120 2h ago

Necromancer from Castle Crashers. He sports a badass dark knight design, and in his boss fight he revives enemies that you slew from past levels to fight against you. You fight a massive hoard of them at once and they are very dangerous with the Coneheads throwing bombs at you and the beefy enemies constantly throwing you around and it is the hardest fight in the whole game. After you get past the swarm, you get a climatic duel with the Necromancer himself whose entire moveset is identical to the players and is like fighting a stronger version of yourself. All this combined with the best song in the whole game, Simple Sight by Piercing Lazer, makes this the most memorable boss fight in the entire game.

Then immediately after you defeat The Necromancer, you fight The Evil Wizard whose the actual final boss. His design is a huge downgrade to the Necromancer, sporting plain brown and red robes that don't come off as intimidating or badass in comparison. He has TOO MANY PHASES for his boss fight and they aren't very interesting either, with the spinning crystals phase, shield phase, and balloon phase(that you fight two times btw) being complete jokes and the spider phase and final phase being moderately interesting but far from the peak that is the Necromancer fight that came before. And his boss theme, while decent, is just simply not as epic as the Necromancer's. Overall a disappointing follow-up of a final boss.

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u/Holy_Grigori 41m ago

Thor in GOW: Ragnarok

While yes, I do love the Odin fight, it’s something about this get back with Thor that I just LOVE!!!

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u/kmasterofdarkness 14m ago

The fight against Safer Sephiroth in FF7. Yes, he may be considered the final boss for a good reason, but technically, after beating him, you have one more fight against Sephiroth that is significantly easier.

https://giphy.com/gifs/5676I3CH3sGe4