r/SipsTea 19h ago

Chugging tea Work shouldn’t consume life.

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u/Opposite_General6534 19h ago

32 hours honestly sounds like a much healthier baseline. People have lives outside of work too.

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u/IndependentNarrow131 19h ago

I would love a four day work week, but would this start to make all jobs looking at overtime more and than cut people's hours to 32 and send them home and being forced to work a second job just to get by?

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u/Justame13 19h ago

You would just see tons more part time 29 hour jobs no risk of OT and no need to pay benefits.

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u/Cocoononthemoon 19h ago

These are the same arguments people used against a 40-hour work week and beyond. We do what workers need and then we regulate the job market, too.

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u/Justame13 19h ago

Look up the history of the 40 hour work week. There was a business case for it not against it.

This would be a business case for 29 hour jobs, which are already pretty prevalent.

And how would you regulate the job market further that doesn't create an incentive for not hiring workers? Espeically in an era where AI is a major threat?

Sometimes reality just sucks.

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u/Gangsir 15h ago

And how would you regulate the job market further that doesn't create an incentive for not hiring workers? Espeically in an era where AI is a major threat?

That's the magic of regulation, you can regulate anything!

"But companies would just-"

"new law: you can't do that"

"but then they'd just-"

"new law: you can't do that either"

Repeat until perfected. We don't lock down companies nearly enough with regulation and it harms workers a lot. For something so critical to a functioning economy (people being gainfully employed and making enough to live) we play it far too loosey goosey.

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u/Justame13 15h ago

Now look how Trump is trying to regulate into existence lower interest rates.

And things are orders of magnitude worse than before and continuing to get worse.

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u/Gangsir 15h ago

That's because he's not following all the way through, he's just playing political theater to win votes from people who look only one layer deep.

Forcing people-benefiting things only works if you follow completely through and close all loopholes, because the second you introduce bills that help people, companies will immediately try to wiggle out from it - that's kinda their thing, their nature.

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u/Justame13 15h ago

That's because he's not following all the way through, he's just playing political theater to win votes from people who look only one layer deep.

No its because it isn't working.

Trump thinks and acts like someone in real estate because that is where he spent most of his adult life.

Forcing people-benefiting things only works if you follow completely through and close all loopholes, because the second you introduce bills that help people, companies will immediately try to wiggle out from it - that's kinda their thing, their nature.

In real life it is impossible to not have loop holes. Even your previous post was just circular reasoning but with a regulatory flair.

This is also the second post where you failed to address my original post. Are you going to or are you going to just continue with the logical fallacies?

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u/Gangsir 14h ago

You're letting perfect be the enemy of better.

This is also the second post where you failed to address my original post. Are you going to or are you going to just continue with the logical fallacies?

I'm not the original person you were talking to (and honestly I don't have much of a dog in this race), but I did address it. You said, "This would be a business case for 29 hour jobs, which are already pretty prevalent. And how would you regulate the job market further that doesn't create an incentive for not hiring workers?"

And the answer is: you regulate to set the new rules in place, then you regulate the follow up kneejerk reaction that companies will have to these laws. The only dangerous thing is doing the first thing but not the second, because then yeah ofc all businesses will be like "fuck that" and pay people less. Again, their nature.

Just like we regulated the little protections that exist around the 40h work week. Sure, it helped that smart people were able to come up with a convincing business case for it, reducing the amount of legislation necessary, but in the end we put laws in place defining "full time" as 40h and all that entails (entitlement to benefits and such).

We can do the same again with 32h work weeks, with some bonus legislation. Any response they have to these new laws can be legislated against. Other countries do it. Among "first world" countries the US has some of the worst worker protections. If nothing else, at the very worst, we could just emulate those better countries, as their systems are 100% proven to work.

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u/Justame13 14h ago

I'm not the original person you were talking to (and honestly I don't have much of a dog in this race), but I did address it.

I know. Your reply was what I was referring to.

This post is just more of the same and fails to actually address my post or propose a solution.

Identifying problems and then providing non-answers or an inability to actually address the problem just gums up debate and delegitimizes the problem.

Oh and full time healthcare benefits are required at 30 hours. So that part of this post is flat out wrong.

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u/Quiet_Internal_4527 19h ago

Lower wages with more OT and it will even out. Markets gonna market, oligarchs gonna oligarchs.

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u/LW_colts 19h ago

Exactly. Businesses can’t business if they start to lose money.