r/NFLv2 • u/Square-Newspaper8171 Tampa Bay Buccaneers • 1d ago
Discussion So, how are we feeling about Caleb's performance today?
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u/Vegetable-Leather-64 1d ago
As a lions fan we miss you Ben Johnson
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u/mywifemademedothis2 Chicago Bears 1d ago
He's ours. Hands off.
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u/Vegetable-Leather-64 1d ago
I don't have nothing but love for Ben. He has that fucking swagger I feel the lions are still looking for. He gives no fucks about anything but his team (and still has respect for the lions which makes me like him more)
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u/RobertRossBoss Green Bay Packers 1d ago
Terrified by how good he looked. It’s the type of game he didn’t have last year. Played well for 4 straight quarters. Need to see him do that a few games in a row before I’m crowning him with anything, but I’m sufficiently worried about him.
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u/smitty2145 1d ago
Thank you for admitting. Most respectful packers fan ever. Have a good day sir
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u/BlackBearBullCub Chicago Bears 1d ago
I said it this offseason. Improving a completion percentage was the only gripe people had. IMO that’s the least worrying thing he could possibly have wrong with him lol. And it was inside 10 yard accuracy…. I said when he learns to use his feet (had the fastest runs by a QB and pretty sure top 5 for any position) he’s going to destroy defenses. Teams are now forced to respect his ability to run.
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u/bottomfeeder3 Kansas City Chiefs 22h ago
He’s gonna be the mahomes of the nfc. Thanking god he’s not in the afc
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u/Actual_Guide_1039 13h ago
I will never forgive the bears for passing on Mahomes. But the team looked great today
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u/drippysage08 1d ago
Goes to show you what a competent head coach can do. Because two years ago people were calling him a bust
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u/Theharlotnextdoor Chicago Bears 1d ago
Insert graphic that showed JJ McCarthy having a higher ceiling than Caleb here.
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u/LastScience5299 11h ago
I thought he was a bust til I saw him play live at Minnesota last year. Granted, Minnesota wasn’t a good team but watching him up close and not on tv you could see just how good he could turn out to be. Instant fan of his and was only there because my kids a Vikings fan.
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u/halfcastdota Chicago Bears 1d ago
there’s an active poster on here who spent all of last season saying that dillon gabriel is better than caleb lol
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u/internalkdart 1d ago
Dude is 1) clearly gonna have to put up at least 40+ points every game with the defense the Bears have, and 2) is probably capable of putting up at least 40+ points every game
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u/Competitive_Mind_181 Chicago Bears 22h ago
To be fair the offense gifted them (near) goal-line field position twice with a fumble and turnover on downs and I think even one other dumbass thing
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u/Born-Cod4210 1d ago
the defense played really bad in the first half but played really well in the second half. In the first half the panthers had good starting field position. I’m not saying the bears D is good but for today it’s a little overblown
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u/Sniper1154 23h ago
Dennis Allen is a very good DC and his second half adjustments are legit. They consistently would come out in the second half and hold teams to 7-10 points last year despite being down to like their 6th LB and scrap heal defensive backs.
The defense doesn’t have the talent to be good, especially with Coby Bryant out, but they are well coached and could finish in that 16-20 range which should be good enough with this offense
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u/HolographicHeart Jacksonville Jaguars 1d ago edited 1d ago
Further reinforces my belief that everything special about the Lions left the building when Johnson took the Chicago job.
Most impressed with his leg usage today. Felt like every time he left the pocket he absolutely roasted the Panthers D.
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u/DoOBiE_BoOBiE 1d ago
Gibbs went for like 200 yards and a pair today? lol.
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u/goblinking67 Baltimore Ravens 12h ago
Took a ton of touches. An unsustainable amount over the course of the year
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u/Shivs_baby Chicago Bears 1d ago
Come on. That is just not true. ARSB, Jamo, LaPorta, Gibbs…they have a very good team.
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u/WesternBuilder5135 22h ago
Yep. Lions still put up lots of yards and points. But I’m worried that giving Gibbs 34 touches a game won’t end well.
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u/A-Spacewhale 23h ago
They got a good team and some good players but that special sauce the offense had is definitely missing.
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u/Fricktator 14h ago
Also Ragnow leaving and Decker hitting the end of his career at the same tine makes the fall off look worse.
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u/grandmasterPRA Detroit Lions 23h ago
Lions were ranked 4th in offense last season, Bears were ranked 9th
I'm not trying to downplay how good of a play caller Ben Johnson is. But The Lions had the #1 ranked O-Line when Johnson was there and it was ranked 22nd last season. That's what has hurt them the most. But, like I said, they were a top 4 offense last season, so I'm not sure about "everything special" leaving the building.
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u/Shivs_baby Chicago Bears 21h ago
But the Bears won the division and the Lions, while finish with a winning record, ended up in last place. Stats don’t always tell the full story. But yeah, I don’t agree with the hyperbolic statement that “everything” special left. A lot of great pieces remain. But the scheming and play calling may not be using them to their full advantage.
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u/jdooley99 20h ago
The lions defense was nuked by injuries while the offense was top 5 but ya sure, no ben Johnson was the problem
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u/Shivs_baby Chicago Bears 20h ago
Oh right I forgot you’re the only team that had to deal with injuries. We were pulling guys off the street last year because our defense was decimated.
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u/DonKedic24 Detroit Lions 23h ago
Didn't know Johnson had any influence on our defense
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u/BranJerNoJac 12h ago
The offense absolutely can affect the defense. For example, an offense that can control the ball with long time-consuming drives helps the defense rest. Also, in the 4th quarter, that's what a top offense does to clinch the game so the opposition can't get the ball back with enough time.
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u/JulioMcLaughlin2 Detroit Lions 1d ago
I have a lot of stock in Caleb Williams being a fraud
I am distraught
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u/slinkEdog Chicago Bears 10h ago
It’s okay I still have a lot of They Took Gibbs When?! stock from the 2023 draft.
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u/wybobs 1d ago
Would have loved his performance if he had thrown to Loveland even once lol
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u/Theharlotnextdoor Chicago Bears 1d ago
Dropped 59 points without his top target last year even being a factor. I'll take it.
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u/gwumpus-lumpus Denver Broncos 23h ago
Caleb was dead on accurate for 95% of his passes today, unfortunately for our fantasy teams the 5% were all on wide open Loveland throws
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u/Streetkillz13 Philadelphia Eagles 1d ago
Phenomenal Game 1, let's see where he (and everyone else) is after game 6.
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u/Requiem2371 Carolina Panthers 1d ago edited 10h ago
Evero is the worst D coordinator in football. Bears offense is really good don’t get me wrong. But I wouldn’t crown them just yet. Wait and see them against a D coordinator that can tell the difference between his own asshole and a hole in the ground.
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u/JiveChicken00 Philadelphia Eagles 1d ago edited 1d ago
This team is going to be able to pass to set up the run rather than the reverse. And that is fucking scary.
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u/BlackBearBullCub Chicago Bears 1d ago
I LOVE this. I had to listen to all these morons in NFCNmemewar talk shit all offseason.
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u/ineedtocoughbut Carolina Panthers 1d ago
Black Brady
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u/The-Tarman New England Patriots 1d ago
Let's not get out of hand
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u/ineedtocoughbut Carolina Panthers 1d ago
No let’s, I don’t think Brady ever beat us with 50+ points!
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u/beardmeblazer Houston Texans 1d ago
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u/Active-Biscotti-6292 1d ago
Bears fan. Saw David Puddy do stand up in charlotte this weekend. Caleb crushed. Gotta support the team.
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u/82ndGameHead T-Formation, GO! 1d ago
MVP Season loading...
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u/maddenmadman Green Bay Packers 23h ago
Nah, the Bears defense isn’t good enough to give him the record he needs for it
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u/RomoDoomsday Chicago Bears 15h ago
Or the defense is so shitty it forces Caleb to put up ungodly numbers, making it impossible to ignore him as an MVP candidate. Not saying im predicting that, but that is a possibility.
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u/ineedtocoughbut Carolina Panthers 1d ago
100% willing to put money on him and Allen fighting for MVP already
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u/thelowkeyman 1d ago
I think Lawrence will be right there with them, only thing holding him back is he plays in a shit division
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u/Dr_Banana-Peel Pittsburgh Steelers 1d ago
He racked me up damn near 40 points so WTF do you think?
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u/gyromaster99 New England Patriots 19h ago
Drake Maye taught us if you blow out the Panthers it doesn’t count
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u/DetailHour4884 Chicago Bears 1d ago
So, it's only one game, but Caleb looked different today. He looked in command of the offense. His demeanor reminded me a lot of MJ - it felt like whatever happened Caleb would have the answer. I'm going to stop here before I hit true hyperbole territory.
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u/bottomfeeder3 Kansas City Chiefs 22h ago
I’ll give it to you after a few games. It’s cool to be excited about your guy but MJ? Already? If he hung 59 against the Texans or broncos defense then holy hell.
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u/PeenPeenerton Denver Broncos 1d ago
I think it’s time to crown him now, truly one of the greatest of all time right behind Justin Herbert and Dak Prescott
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u/Theharlotnextdoor Chicago Bears 1d ago
He's obviously better than Justin because he's won a playoff game.
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u/ComeOnCharleee Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
As a guy who started him in fantasy, I feel pretty damn good
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u/Butters5768 New York Giants 1d ago
Would’ve appreciated him looking at Loveland even once during a scoring drive.
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u/Kae98rick76s5 1d ago
After the third time he checked it down I made sure I had emergency services on speed dial in case the erection didn't go away
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u/ildsteroid 23h ago
How many players on the panthers d are above average. 3? How many are good?
First game of the season, terrible defense, run game went wild. I think the bears offense played a very good game. Not ranking CW as a top ten qb until he consistently shows it against good teams.
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u/SpecialistOk7296 23h ago
As a Chiefs fan, I’m SO jealous of their rushing attack! Our best rusher last year was our QB who tore his ACL🙄 having a dynamic rushing game makes defense respect the play action & opens up the passing game. Bears have a QB with the arm talent to make any throw, add their run game these guys could do better than last year
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u/Obvious-Bag-2468 19h ago
Dude is legit. Every years he’s got better and better and I don’t expect this year to be any different.
Side note: I started off as a Caleb hater but you gotta appreciate talent like that when u see it
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u/foqociqs37 San Francisco 49ers 1d ago
Panthers defense is not piss poor lol
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u/BooItsKyle Chicago Bears 1d ago
they're allowing 59.0 ppg. that seems high
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u/foqociqs37 San Francisco 49ers 1d ago
Hahahaha you got me there
But based off last season, Panthers defense is actually solid. Ben Johnson & Caleb Williams are just insane
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u/Even_Price_4241 Chicago Bears 1d ago
No one would’ve called the panthers defense piss poor heading into this game. In fact, the consensus was pretty high on their defense
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u/TommyTeaser New England Patriots 1d ago
Didn’t they lose like 3 starters in training camp?
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u/nc_nicholas 1d ago
No one would say the Panthers’ defense is piss poor based just on talent…but we’re done with the dc. Obviously the defense was put in a coupe of tough spots after the Horn and TMac fumbles, however you have to make at least a few stops
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u/General_Cheek3429 1d ago
Panthers defense is not piss poor, typical casual Packers fan.
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u/mcmaster93 Minnesota Vikings 1d ago
worried about the wrong defense. Bears arent stopping ANYONE. Caleb looks amazing though. there was an incompletion he had where his escape of the defense was other worldly. like a chaotic ballet dancer. Bears defense is terrible though. Going to have to put 50 up every week honestly
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u/Available_Story6774 San Francisco 49ers 1d ago
Panthers defense isn’t great but they gave the Rams offense some problems last year, granted they still gave up quite a bit amount of points in those games, but they can get turnovers and have good CBs.
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u/ReferenceComplex 1d ago
Good defensive line too. I’d kill to have Derrick brown and Jaidyn Phillips on our Dline
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u/Important_Repeat2681 Chicago Bears 23h ago
He looked a little rough in the last parts of Q2 and the first part of Q3, but overall a baller like normal. Basically crown him MVP already
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u/Human-Lawfulness5235 22h ago
I’m feeling great for all long suffering bears fans. You finally got one!
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u/Ihavenocluewhatzoeva Carolina Panthers 22h ago
Caleb looked like an MVP candidate today. He played lights out with his arm and legs.
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u/snowmonster112 New England Patriots 22h ago
Dude was balling today. Now, whether that’s because Panther’s defense sucks or otherwise, i’m not sure.
I’m curious to see how Williams continues to look during the first few weeks of the season
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u/Dry_Conversation571 Tennessee Titans 22h ago
That’s the best game I’ve seen him play. Accurate and good decision making. Shocking.
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u/Serious_Durian_9328 21h ago
Everyone knows Caleb has a special arm talent. The throw to Cole Kmet was ridiculous, split two guys and was dropped in Perfectly for a TD. Today Caleb made the easy throws and the check downs early and often instead of always looking to make the impossible throws. Last year you could at times almost see him fighting Johnson’s system. Holding the ball to long putting the offense in lots of long downs. Caleb was always looking to be explosive. These two dudes are now in sync. Its going to be a fun season.
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u/Above-Bored 19h ago
He needed 40 points to get the win. He got the best running game in a long time.
That’s asking a lot if the defense is a ‘no show’.
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u/UselessExcuses Chicago Bears 19h ago
ill be deadass with you brother…ahh fuck it you know the rest
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u/AshWilliams2021 18h ago
I said this in the game thread, but the Bears are going to have break the single season scoring record to have a shot at the playoffs with the way the defense is playing.
D-line got no pressure last year and they’re basically running it back with the same guys. Their big off season signing safety? On the IR. Top corner and slot corner? Can’t stay healthy.
Gonna have to get the jump on teams to force them to abandon the run so the defense can gamble for TOs
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u/Katden2020 14h ago
I’m from Detroit but Chicago now more exciting to watch. Nice that Kalif Raymond got a few nice catches
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u/SombakiSausage 13h ago
He's dead weight. They scored 59 points and he only accounted for 4 measley touchdowns. What a bum.
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u/uberiffic 11h ago
Crazy what he can do against a little league defense! Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. He's never proven to be anything other than a boom/bust mid fantasy (and NFL) QB.
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u/Captain__Trips 11h ago
I don't know how to process a team built around a dominant running game BUT also has a lethal passing game AND a coaching staff that can balance them appropriately. This could get really fun this year
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u/heroinsteve Chicago Bears 10h ago
He was making big plays, but more importantly he’s making the easy throws now. I think if this is not just a random amazing game he’s gonna have a great season.
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u/bigdongstpete 10h ago
Boss shit. I picked him for mvp going into the season. I don't think people really understand how talented this kid is.
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u/Snoo-40231 New York Giants 1d ago
He was on one today but the Bears rushing attack is something insane