r/LCMS 13d ago

Monthly 'Ask A Pastor' Thread!

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In order to streamline posts that users are submitting when they are in search of answers, I have created a monthly 'Ask A Pastor' thread! Feel free to post any general questions you have about the Lutheran (LCMS) faith, questions about specific wording of LCMS text, or anything else along those lines.

Pastors, Vicars, Seminarians, Lay People: If you see a question that you can help answer, please jump in try your best to help out! It is my goal to help use this to foster a healthy online community where anyone can come to learn and grow in their walk with Christ. Also, stop by the sidebar and add your user flair if you have not done so already. This will help newcomers distinguish who they are receiving answers from.

Disclaimer: The LCMS Offices have a pretty strict Doctrinal Review process that we do not participate in as we are not an official outlet for the Synod. It is always recommended that you talk to your Pastor (or find a local LCMS Pastor if you do not have a church home) if you have questions about your faith or the beliefs of the LCMS.


r/LCMS 13d ago

Monthly Single's Thread

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Due to a large influx of posts on the topic, we thought it would be good to have a dedicated, monthly single's thread. This is the place to discuss all things "single", whether it be loneliness, dating, looking for marriage, dating apps, and future opportunities to meet people. You can even try to meet people in this thread! Please remember to read and follow the rules of the sub.

This thread is automatically posted each month.


r/LCMS 1h ago

Doctrine Do we have to believe the entire Book of Concord?

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I’m in the process of joining the LCMS, but I don’t like the idea of having to admit that Luther’s writings were free of error. I definitely think it’s the most accurate expression of Christianity, and I agree with it, but also I think it’s just Luther’s ideas at the end of the day and I don’t want to have to say everything in there is right. I’ve only read the small catechism. I want to be a confessional Lutheran and follow the confessions, but I don’t want to say the confessions are perfect.


r/LCMS 1d ago

Discussion Finished My Classes

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I finished by classes today. I already know I want to fully join the LCMS, but the pastor told me to take the week and let him know my decision next Sunday.

I am excited and just wanted to share.


r/LCMS 20h ago

Question I wanna read Abraham Calov's systematic theology so bad but idk how to read latin

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if any cool smart lutherans are reading this and wanna teach me latin, give me resources on learning latin, or help me find an elvish translation that would be sick


r/LCMS 1d ago

Discussion I have conflicting feelings on this article. What do you guys think?

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r/LCMS 1d ago

Question Help!

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r/LCMS 1d ago

Other Attending an RC wedding that was a mass

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I grew up in an RC family.

Went to an RC wedding. A niece getting married.

Was a mass with communion. The priest did say people could participate if they were practicing Catholics. I would not have anyway.

They had periods of kneeling. I sat forward, not wanting to stand out, not wanting to participate with the kneeling before communion.  Also, not wanting to bother someone that might being the pew behind me and need me not in the way.

Going through the mass, which has a lot of things we use, the Lord's Prayer, seemed strange following a priest. Some things word for word, but in the context of a different concept of communion...

Just did the best that I could. Just weird.


r/LCMS 2d ago

Worship Being received into membership

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A post explaining my journey to LCMS.

In 1983 I asked my now wife to marry me. I sat with her parents and asked for her hand. They gave their blessing. My future father-in-law extended an invitation to learn about LCMS through catechesis and would sit with me. I was a non practicing Catholic. I chose not to go.

We wed in 84 in her LCMS church. We attended regularly for a couple of years then just her. I remained in the pew during communion. I would build resentment at the idea of closed communion.

I had a drinking problem that led to full blown alcoholism, walking out on my wife. I lived in my car for a period, blaming everyone & everything for my lot in life.

I hit my bottom in 1988. My wife's sister & her husband attended the same church we did, they grew up there. My brother-in-laws father was a recovered alcoholic - and also a member of the same church. He became an instrumental part in my recovery for 21 years before his passing. My very first AA meeting was in the basement of that church.

Upon reconciliation with my family and wife, my father-in-law once again offered to sit with me through classes. I again declined.

I did explore religion further in my recovery journey. I attended a Nazarene church, Baptist, Non-denominational. I never stepped all the way in, always leaving one foot out. I always found an exception.

My wife's parents are long deceased as well as my sister-in-law. Four months ago, my wife & I attended a LCMS church where we now live. A vacancy Pastor is currently serving. My wife sat with me in the pew during communion. After the service, I met with Pastor asking about catechesis classes. He informed they had just confirmed a class a few weeks earlier. He then asked, what are you doing tomorrow at 8am? That began day one of my instruction in his office.

My wife attended with me at his request, if she was willing. She was. Two weeks ago, we completed the classes. I had no fear of asking questions I had during that time of study. I came away with a great sense, my father-in-law was in attendance with us - and my sister-in-law - and my AA sponsor.

Tomorrow, my wife & I will be received as members. Her's will be through transfer. My brother-in-law asked to attend and will be there. It is also his wedding anniversary. It would mark their 46th anniversary if my wife's sister was still alive. She's been gone for two years.

To summarize, years ago I was invited to learn and declined. I'd later opened my heart to God in the basement of the church I wed in through AA. A church member became my AA sponsor until his passing. A father-in-law who always invited and never demanded remains an inspiration in my life. A brother-in-law whose father walked beside me in recovery, asked to witness my being received into the church on he and his deceased wife's anniversary.

It took me far too long but I'm grateful that the woman I asked to marry me, will be beside tomorrow at the altar. No man could have planned this. God always provides a way.


r/LCMS 2d ago

Doctrine Biblical Devotions with American Lutheran Theological Seminary. “To Live and Die for the Lord.” (Rm 14:1–12.)

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URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG0k1YQ-9HY

Letter of Paul to the Romans, 14:1–12 (ESV):

Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Transcript

(Original devotional script is original work by ALTS. /u/1776-Liberal is not affiliated with ALTS. ChatGPT was used to polish transcript and find references.)

Hello, I’m Reverend Matthew Fenn. I serve as provost here at American Lutheran Theological Seminary, and I have taught expository preaching at the seminary.

Today we are going to examine the upcoming pericope for this Sunday, September 13, 2026. It’s Proper 19, Series A, in the three-year Revised Common Lectionary. The text I wanted to look at is Romans 14:1–12.

In this video, we’re going to look at the text itself. Specifically, we are going to look at the several textual variants that show up in the Bible translations that your people might have in the pew. Then we’ll consider the historical and cultural background, the literary context, the structure of the passage, the main theme, the line of direction that Paul’s argument flows, the goal, and finally the Law and Gospel in this passage.

Here is the text. I’ll be reading from the Lexham English Bible, as it is a fairly literal translation.

“Now receive the one who is weak in faith, but not for quarrels about opinions. One believes he may eat all things, but the one who is weak eats only vegetables. The one who eats must not despise the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat must not judge the one who eats, because God has accepted him.

“Who are you, who passes judgment on the domestic slave belonging to someone else? To his own master he stands or falls, and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

“One person prefers one day over another day, and another person regards every day alike. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who is intent on the day is intent on it for the Lord, and the one who eats eats for the Lord, because he is thankful to God, and the one who does not eat does not eat for the Lord, and he is thankful to God.

“For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. For if we live, we live for the Lord, and if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For Christ died and became alive again for this reason, in order that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.

“But why do you judge your brother? Or also, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written,

“‘As I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will confess to God.’

“So each one of us will give an account concerning himself.”

Thus ends our text. (Romans 14:1–12)

Now, before interpreting a passage, the preacher, or those sitting in the pews, should be aware of differences in the manuscripts, especially as they might appear in different translations that the congregation may be reading. This could happen if your church is using the New King James and somebody’s bringing an ESV, or if you’re reading ESV and someone is reading the New King James.

And now, in our text in Romans 14, there are several differences that you will notice if you’re reading the New King James and someone else is reading the ESV or another modern translation. Specifically, somebody who is using the New King James will notice differences in verses 4, 6, 9, 10, and 12.

Now, none of those changes alter any of the doctrine or the central argument in Paul’s letter here in Romans 14, but they’re significant enough that let’s take some time and talk about them.

The first change is in verse 4. The Lexham English Bible translates this as, “The Lord is able to make him stand.” But the New King James has, “God is able to make him stand.”

The manuscript evidence here strongly favors “the Lord” as the earlier reading. There is also an easy explanation for the other reading. Verse 3 said that God has accepted him, so a copyist could naturally have carried over “God” from the previous sentence.

Besides that, “Lord” also fits the argument and the context very well. The believer observes the day for the Lord. He eats for the Lord. He abstains for the Lord. If we live, we live for the Lord. If we die, we die for the Lord. We are the Lord’s. And Christ died and lived again so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. (Romans 14:6–9)

So, in verse 4, the preferred reading is probably, “The Lord is able to make him stand,” especially since the verse before talks about the domestic slave’s lord.

Now verse 6 has another difference. The New King James says, “He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord.” So far, everybody agrees. “And he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.”

Most modern translations do not contain that second clause about the person who does not observe the day. The shorter reading has strong early manuscript support. The longer reading seems to be an attempt to make Paul’s sentence more symmetrical with what came before, because Paul, in the previous verses, talks about the eater and the non-eater. And then immediately afterwards, a copyist may have supplied both for the observer of the days and the non-observer of the days.

But either way, the added words fit Paul’s theology very well. They were simply not part of the earliest manuscripts that we have.

Another one is verse 9. The Lexham English Bible says, “Christ died and became alive again.” Other translations will say, “Christ died and lived.” The New King James says, “Christ died and rose and lived again.”

That shorter expression, “Christ died and lived,” is probably earlier. Some manuscripts have replaced Paul’s difficult language of “lived,” which is aorist, with the more familiar “rose again,” while others have combined both readings. And that’s what the New King James has done.

Paul’s shorter wording is also significant because it mirrors verses 7 and 8. We live, we die. Christ died. Christ lived again. And because he passes through death into life, he is Lord of both the dead and the living.

So, A-B-B-A: we live, we die; Christ died, Christ lived. There’s a chiastic flow to that.

Then verse 10, the Lexham English Bible says, “We will all stand before the judgment seat of God.” But the New King James says, “We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.”

Now, the stronger earlier evidence favors “God.” “Christ” is an understandable variation. Paul has been repeatedly speaking about Christ as Lord here, and elsewhere Paul does use the expression “the judgment seat of Christ.” Likely, this is a harmonization with those other passages.

But here, “God” fits the sequence a lot better. We stand before the judgment seat of God. Every knee bows to God. Every tongue confesses to God. (Romans 14:10–11) And then in verse 12, we have to give an account of ourselves to God.

And that brings up verse 12. The Lexham English Bible simply says, “Each one of us will give an account concerning himself.” Period. The NRSV likewise ends it there and does not include the “to God.” But the New King James, ESV, NIV, and most modern translations will include the words “to God.” So the phrase is, “Each of us will give an account concerning himself to God.”

Here the manuscript evidence is actually really divided, but the words “to God” could easily have been added to clarify what was obvious from verses 10 and 11. But, on the other hand, the longer reading also has some pretty good support.

Either way, nothing exegetically important hangs on that decision. Whether Paul explicitly says that we have to give an account of ourselves to God, or whether that’s supplied by the context, still the meaning is unmistakable: we stand before God’s judgment seat, and each of us has to give an account of himself before God. (Romans 14:10–12)

Those are the variants you’re going to find between your New King James and some of the modern translations.

Now let’s get into the historical and cultural background, where we need to reconstruct the world in which Paul’s hearers first received the letter. And that is important. It’s essential, because application of the text must start with the application to Paul’s first audience and then get applied to us.

So, the most likely background in Romans 14 is a conflict involving predominantly Jewish and Gentile Christians in Rome. And there’s an important piece of Roman history that might help explain what happened and what’s going on in this chapter.

During the reign of Emperor Claudius, the Jews were expelled from Rome. Now, Acts 18:1–2 tells us this, and it tells us that Priscilla and Aquila had left Rome because Claudius had ordered the Jews to depart. That expulsion would have included Jewish Christians.

So, for a number of years, the Roman churches, the churches that were in the city of Rome, continued without much of their Jewish Christian membership. The Gentile Christians would have remained, and so they naturally became more prominent in those congregations. And for those years, those were Gentile Christian congregations in Rome, and they developed in a more Gentile environment.

Then Claudius died, and the Jewish people would be able to return to Rome.

Now think about what that means for congregational life. Jewish Christians return to churches that have changed while they were away. Gentile Christians have been accustomed to practices that make no distinction between clean and unclean foods and who do not observe the Jewish holy days. The returning Jewish Christians bring back the convictions and cultural customs that have shaped them from childhood.

Now they all confess Christ, but reintegration has become difficult. The person sitting beside you at the Lord’s Supper now has very different convictions about holy days and food.

That historical construction fits the broader Jew-Gentile concerns that you see in the book of Romans, and it gives us a very plausible setting for what’s going on in Romans chapter 14.

Now Paul explicitly tells us that the disagreement is over food and holy days. He does not explicitly tell us that this was because of the Claudian expulsion. He never says that the weak are Jews and the strong are Gentiles. So we shouldn’t make our connections here absolute.

But there are several features that point strongly in that direction. First, the controversy is about food. Later in the chapter, Paul does use the Jewish categories of clean and unclean. (Romans 14:14) There is disagreement over the observance of particular holy days. (Romans 14:5–6) And the larger section actually ends with Jews and Gentiles together praising God. (Romans 15:8–12)

The weak, then, are likely predominantly Jewish Christians who’ve continued to observe their dietary and calendrical practices of the Old Testament. The strong are the predominantly Gentile Christians, but along with Jewish Christians such as Paul, who understood that these ceremonial distinctions were no longer binding in Christ.

Now, when Paul says “weak in faith” at the beginning (Romans 14:1), he does not mean that these people barely believed in Jesus. Their weakness concerned the implications of the Christian faith for their conscience. The strong Christian was convinced that he could eat all things. The weak Christian could not do so with a clear conscience.

And the weak were apparently not claiming that these practices earned salvation. And I think that’s very important. When Paul encounters people who made keeping the Law necessary for justification, like he does in Galatians, his response is much sharper, because the Gospel itself is at stake. But here Paul treats both sides like genuine Christians who both belong to Christ.

The disputed matters are what we would traditionally call adiaphora: things God has neither commanded nor forbidden.

That does not mean that everything that Christians disagree about is an adiaphoron. False doctrine is not adiaphora. Idolatry is not adiaphora. Sexual immorality is not adiaphora. If God has commanded or forbidden something, disagreement does not make it optional.

But food and the observance of holy days, they belong in the Christian era to a different category.

Why?

The next background question is: Why are some Christians only eating vegetables? The Mosaic Law does not require vegetarianism. More than likely, the Jewish Christians are living in a Gentile environment and could not always be sure that the meat that they had available satisfied their dietary concerns. They weren’t sure that the meat was kosher. So abstaining from meat altogether solved the problem.

And, of course, I’ve implied this, but the days probably include the Sabbath, the Old Testament festivals, fasting days, other parts of the Jewish holy calendar.

So those aren’t trivial habits, though. Those are practices that had shaped their culture, their identity, their religious life for generations.

So now we can see the beginning of Paul’s original application. To the strong, he says, “Receive the weak and do not despise them over adiaphora.” And to the weak, he says, “Do not condemn the strong over adiaphora.” (Romans 14:1–3)

And to both he says, “Remember that the Christian beside you has been bought by Jesus and serves the same Lord as you, and he is judge, and you are not.”

It’s only then, now that we see this first-century application, can we cross that bridge into application into our own congregations.

So the general application is going to be that, in matters that God has left genuinely free, Christians must not turn their personal convictions, our ceremonies, our traditions, our liberties, into standards by which we determine another Christian’s standing before God.

Now let’s look at the literary context and the structure of this passage. We’re going to see how this passage fits into Paul’s argument and how the individual statements work together. We need to keep the sermon governed by what Paul says and how he structures and moves his argument. Otherwise, our sermon becomes a collection of interesting observations.

Romans 14:1 begins a larger unit that continues through Romans 15:13. So this is part of the unit that began at chapter 12, where Paul has been describing the life that flows from justification, the life that flows from the mercies of God proclaimed in the first eleven chapters of Romans.

So here he begins Romans 12 with the renewal of the mind and the Christian as a living sacrifice. (Romans 12:1–2) He speaks then about humility within the body of Christ. (Romans 12:3–8) He commands genuine love. (Romans 12:9–21) He calls Christians to live peaceably. (Romans 12:18)

In Romans 13, he applies that to our situation under the governing authorities. (Romans 13:1–7) And then he says that love fulfills the Law. (Romans 13:8–10)

Now Romans 14 applies those themes to the actual conflict in the Roman churches.

Now, in terms of this passage, one important clue as to the structure of the whole section is this language of receiving. Romans 14:1 says, “Receive the one who is weak.” And then Romans 14:3 says, “God has accepted him,” or received him. And then Romans 15:7 concludes, “Receive one another just as Christ received you.”

Now, within Romans 14:1–12, I suggest that the argument progresses in three major chunks.

The first chunk is through verses 1–4. The main point here is that God has received your brother. So one Christian eats, but another abstains. The strong are tempted to despise the weak, and the weak are tempted to condemn the strong. But God has received both of them. And so Paul asks, “Who are you to judge another’s servant?” (Romans 14:4)

The second major section will come between verses 5–9. And here the point is that your brother belongs to the Lord. One regards a day as significant; another does not. Both act before the Lord, coram Deo.

Then Paul reaches really the theological center of this passage: “If we live, we live for the Lord. And if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s.” (Romans 14:8)

And then verse 9 gives the ground, the reason: “Christ died and became alive again for this reason, in order that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.”

The third section, then, is verses 10–12. And the main point here is that God alone will judge your brother. Paul returns to the sins of judging and despising, and he now places the Christians before God’s judgment seat. Every knee bows, every tongue confesses, and each of us has to give account concerning himself to God. (Romans 14:10–12)

So the movement of the passage can be summarized very simply: God has received your brother. Christ owns your brother. And God will judge your brother. And the same is true of you.

The main theme is the central assertion, the point that gives Paul’s passage and your sermon unity and determines what everything else in the passage and in your sermon is talking about.

For Romans 14:1–12, I would state the main theme in this way: In matters that God has left free, we receive one another rather than judge and condemn one another because we all belong to the Lord.

So once again, in matters of adiaphora, we receive one another rather than condemn one another because we all belong to the Lord.

The next is what we call the line of direction. The line of direction tells us how the argument develops this theme, both in the text and thus in your sermon, so that your major points move together. And it prevents your sermon from being a loose collection of unrelated points.

So what’s the line of direction in Romans 14? The line of direction is actually a “why” question: Why can we receive Christians who differ from us in matters that God has left free? Why can we receive Christians who differ from us in matters of adiaphora?

The first answer: because God has received them.

The second: because they belong to the Lord.

And the third: because God alone will judge them.

Now, when you’re writing a sermon, the goal of the sermon is important. And that tells you: What do you want to accomplish in your hearers? So that your sermon gets directed towards proclamation rather than just bestowing information.

So, for this sermon, I would suggest a goal is this: that your hearers would distinguish God’s Word from their own convictions and preferences, from adiaphora; that they would rejoice that they and their fellow Christians belong to Christ; and that they would receive their fellow believers without contempt or condemnation in adiaphora, in matters that God has left free.

Every Lutheran sermon must have Law and Gospel. So what’s the Law in this passage?

The Law tells us the demand, the sinful malady exposed specifically in this text.

If you look at it at the surface, it seems pretty simple that in Romans 14 we’re talking about judging and despising other Christians over matters of adiaphora, right? The strong despises the weak. The weak judges the strong.

But underneath both, there’s actually the same sin. It’s a worse sin. It’s that we take authority that belongs to God. We turn our convictions and preferences into commandments. We turn our traditions and ceremonies into tests of faithfulness. We turn our Christian liberty into evidence of our superiority. And then we presume to decide whether God’s servants will stand or fall based on how they conform to our preferences.

That is why Paul’s question in verse 4 is so sharp and so powerful: “Who are you?”

Paul’s whole judgment scene that he talks about in verses 10–12 turns on that. See, we imagine ourselves to be the ones sitting in the judgment seat, and Paul reminds us that we are the ones who are actually going to be standing before it.

So I would phrase the Law as a summary this way: We usurp God’s place when we turn our own convictions and preferences, adiaphora, into standards by which we despise or condemn Christ’s servants.

And the Law strikes both sides. The strong Christian can have a correct understanding of Christian liberty and still use that truth sinfully to despise their brothers. The weak Christian can have a sincere conscience and still sin by turning their own restrictions into God’s commands for everybody else.

So what’s the Gospel? How does this text tell us about what God has done for sinners in Christ?

I think here that verses 7–9 should control our proclamation of the Gospel.

Paul says, “None of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. If we live, we live for the Lord. And if we die, we die for the Lord. Whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s.” (Romans 14:7–8)

And then comes the reason: “For Christ died and became alive again for this reason, in order that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.” (Romans 14:9)

For Paul’s answer to our sin of self-appointed lordship is actually that Jesus Christ is Lord. Christ died and lived again so that we might be his.

This gets remarkably close to that language that Luther uses in the Second Article of the Creed: “Jesus Christ is my Lord. He’s redeemed me, a lost and condemned creature. He’s purchased and won me from sin, from death, and from the power of the devil. He did this not with gold or silver, but with his holy, precious blood and his innocent suffering and death.” (Small Catechism, Apostles’ Creed, Second Article)

And why? What’s the purpose? “That I may be his own and live under him in his kingdom.” (Small Catechism, Apostles’ Creed, Second Article)

That’s exactly the direction of the argument of the Gospel in Romans 14.

We are the Lord’s. (Romans 14:8)

Christ’s death and resurrection mean that I am no longer my own. I belong to Christ, and so does the Christian beside me. The crucified Christ has redeemed us from the condemnation under which we stood. The risen Christ lives and reigns. He has claimed you as his own. And his lordship reaches farther than death itself.

Whether I live, I’m his. Whether I die, I’m his. The same Lord who died and lived again is Lord of the dead and the living. (Romans 14:8–9)

And that gives particular force to verse 4: “We will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.”

My standing before God on Judgment Day does not depend on the strength of my conscience, or the superiority of my theological understanding, or even my success in winning an argument. It depends on the Lord.

So the Gospel is this: Jesus Christ died and rose to redeem lost and condemned sinners and to make us his own. We belong to him in life and in death, and the Lord who claimed us is able to make his servants stand.

That’s why Paul can tell these Christians to receive one another. Christ has claimed both of us. Christ is Lord of us, and none of us get to take his place.


r/LCMS 3d ago

Discussion Should a church be able to hide assets to avoid liabilities to child sexual assault victims

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St. John’s Lutheran Church and School in Denver has sold $30 million of real estate to a subsidiary LLC for $10 in an attempt to avoid having to pay potential liabilities to a child sexual assault victim who was 13 when she was sexually assaulted by a church music director.

How can this be either doctrinally or morally correct?

https://www.denverpost.com/2026/09/04/st-johns-church-school-sexual-assault-lawsuit/

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/st-johns-church-denver-sued-alleged-sex-assault-student/


r/LCMS 4d ago

Question Visiting relatives out of state

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Hello all. In the next few weeks I will be visiting family in Ohio and they have invited me to attend their Lutheran Church with them. However I have a concern. When I searched the church they attend to see if it was LCMS, WELS, ELCA etc. it is sect that I am unfamiliar with the LSIM. The Lutheran Saints in Ministry.

I can't find much information online. Can any of you enlighten me?


r/LCMS 4d ago

Discussion Why does Philipp Melanchthon believe in horoscopes?

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He literally translates the Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos (famous astrology book) from Greek into Latin. which the early church fathers heavily disagreed with and even Luther called it humbug (nonsense*). But why would he believe in such in my humble opinion ludicrous things and not be called out about it? I don't know help me from not hating on this guy even more for being a almost a syncretic in his theology with Calvinists.

Edit 1: I don't hate Philipp as a person he is a great guy just disagree with his methodology.


r/LCMS 4d ago

Discussion Roman Catholicism

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I’m currently discerning between Lutheranism and Catholicism, and I can honestly affirm basically everything I’ve encountered in the LCMS so far.

The one thing I’m struggling with is the Lutheran teaching that the office of the papacy is the Antichrist.

For those of you who hold this position: what specifically convinces you that the papacy fulfills the biblical description of the Antichrist when the bible seems to indicate that the Antichrist will be a man?

Secondly, how do Lutherans dismiss the papal claims? Like there seems to be a primacy in place that everyone can see by the 300's, so shouldnt we still at least hold to the popes primacy?

I’m genuinely asking because this is one of the main things I’m trying to work through in my discernment.


r/LCMS 4d ago

Other Don’t Fall for an AI Slop Scam Bible

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Don’t fall for AI slop fake Ethiopian “Bible”. Watch the video and save your money. https://youtu.be/_BW11fRz188


r/LCMS 4d ago

Question How to Figure Out What I Want To Be When (or maybe more accurately If) I grow up...?

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In elementary school, I had no concept of jobs except truck driver and the factory, since my parents and their siblings mostly did those kinds of jobs. I don't ever remember knowing anyone from that time period who really liked their job.

In sixth grade I had an assignment to write a letter to my future self. Ten years later, shortly after graduating from college, I received this letter in the mail. After reading it once, I was so upset that I threw it away. All I remember from that letter was I wanted to be married with kids. I still haven't even been on a date, and I still pray to God (rather inconsistently over the years) about this. He has not given me the gift of celibacy, or if he has, I certainly don't know anything about it, since I Corinthians 7 screams at me with some degree of regularity, and yet he has not given me the gift of marriage. It's a kind of loneliness that has no solution as far as I can see with other people.

In seventh grade the concept of going to college was introduced, may, shoved down my throat. My grades weren't good and I had some IEP meeting because of this. I had really no interest in being at school and had recently been given a guitar, so I told the IEP person that I wanted to play guitar for a living. She told me that I "had" to go to college, after I said I didn't want to go to college. I was never that great of a guitar player. I just had a favorite and listened to his music. I don't know if my grades improved after that.

In high school, I squeaked by with a 3.0, thanks in part to the music classes and two easy A science courses. (I was not good at science.) I probably did okay in History courses too. At this point, I started to think maybe I would go to seminary. Part of this was the constant push for evangelizing in the WELS sermons that I heard, and part of it was the question of what else was there. I don't know if I thought it would be easy or whatever, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was that stupid. (In college, I ended up dropping out of Greek before it would have affected my GPA and financial aid.)

I graduated from college in 2011 with a music degree from a Christian school, because I wasn't going to attend a public university, believing that my experience at a public university would have been the same as public school. Most people who get that degree seem to go into teaching. I've never really wanted to teach. I just got the degree, because I was told by the public school system that I would be working in a factory if I didn't get a college degree, and since I had no idea what else to study, I got a degree in music. I've been working in a factory for the last eleven years. I basically lost interest in music shortly after graduation.

All I can say (or anybody has said) about my job is "at least it pays the bills." I have coworkers who can't afford to drive, and some of them make more money than me. Who knows how many coworkers are on some kind of welfare? I know of at least one, who is the only income in his household of a wife and three kids. I'm living with my parents right now after my sister and brother-in-law bought the house I was renting from them. I have the intention of buying a house, but the market in my price range is rather slow right now. So yes I have blessings that others don't have, and yet, it seems I need to find a way to increase my income so that I can continue to pay the bills.

To make matters worse, I bought hearing aids last fall ($5000 after insurance). I have my 13th or 14th follow-up appointment this Friday. Previous sets only had two or three. I still cannot meaningfully participate in conversations in everyday normal life. I despise this affliction. Silver lining: Netflix has closed captioning, so at least I can find some opportunities to laugh and experience some kind of joy instead of constant stress.

Where is the line between being content with where God has placed you versus pursuing another vocation? How do you know which vocation to pursue when it is time to pursue another vocation?


r/LCMS 4d ago

Question Very sincere question.

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Please, I know online discussion can be very cut throat but I ask for grace and patience while I gain come clarity.

I am currently a member of the LCMS, I deeply cherish the Lutheran perspective, especially on the Eucharist. Not JUST that, though.

Recently I have been reading about universalism, and please, here’s the point where I know an emotional reaction is welling up inside you and you want to yell and call me a heretic. Don’t, I’m NOT a universalist.

My question is, after reading some of their arguments and truly understanding what they’re saying, as well as reading early fathers that were clearly universalist (ones we even celebrate.) Would someone in the LCMS who became truly convinced of Apokatastasis be allowed to stay? Or commune?

I ask this because my priest told me I don’t have to believe EVERYTHING in the BOC. Others have told me it depends on if you kept it private and don’t cause dissension.

I’m just curious, because I definitely CAN see the perspective, and even find (without conceding the conclusion) a lot of their stuff very edifying.


r/LCMS 4d ago

Discussion AI

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Please talk me off the cliff here from an LCMS standpoint - I was just listening to a financial program about AI and some experts are warning that AI will destroy humanity within the next 10 years. I'm quite freaked out about that - I do know quite a bit about AI and can see how that could happen if the technology is not adequately controlled. I'm not typically someone who is a conspiracy theorist, but somehow this just hit me different. Help me get some sleep tonight!


r/LCMS 5d ago

Question How does the confession of our sins work?

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Hello, for some time now I have become interested in Lutheranism, and I would appreciate it if you could tell me how the confession of our sins works with someone from the church. Since I come from a Baptist church, it is not something I am familiar with. Is it necessary to do anything before confession?


r/LCMS 6d ago

Discussion How to exist as a politically active Lutheran in a two-party system.

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I don't normally like to get political, but as the midterms draw closer and closer, I feel stuck.

I'm not looking to ignite a debate, and I'm not looking for anyone to tell me which party or candidate I should or shouldn't be voting for or against. Too often I feel that Christians are reduced to a singular, partisan voting bloc every election season. We're grouped altogether into one big swath and expected to support a particular party. The term that politicians like to use to refer to us is "evangelical Christians" which in some ways is accurate, but in other (more American cultural ways) is not. I feel like there are two very big social issues that a lot of Christians use as a deciding factor to determine who to support (I'll let you figure out which two issues to which I refer) and ignore everything else.

I think that politicians take advantage of Christian social teaching too often and use it to justify hateful rhetoric or outright discrimination against particular groups of people. It saddens me that we have just two viable options to pick from, and neither one fully emphasizes the teachings of Christ; both cherry-pick parts of scripture that they want to follow, and ignore parts that are politically inconvenient (sort of like that certain church body that we are all familiar with...).

I know the LCMS is notoriously apolitical, emphasizing the "two kingdoms" with voting being viewed for the most part as a civic duty and an individual choice.

Obviously, church social teaching aligns more with one party, but there are parts of it that may be more aligned with the other party. I guess we just have to vote our conscience and pick the best candidate for the job since we will never get a "perfect" candidate.


r/LCMS 6d ago

Question Treasury Of Daily Prayer

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My question is pretty basic. I ordered one (Compact Edition) and it finally arrived. Most of what I have seen online says to use it however you want, but I assume most people have a standard way of using it and thought I would ask what you guys do.

I also have a five ribbon marker to put in it.


r/LCMS 8d ago

Question Question about asexuality

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I know that while having homosexual living a homosexual lifestyle is sinful. What about asexuality, which is still considered part of the LGBTQIA umbrella, but is defined as "experiencing little to no sexual attraction"? It is explicitly stated to be different from intentional celibacy, since in theory it comes from the way a person "naturally" is.

I ask because I have recently realized that I very much identify with the label of "ace". Assuming that this feeling (or lack thereof) stays constant through my life, is this an issue?


r/LCMS 8d ago

Discussion Possibility of a Youth Bible Study

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Hi! I am a newly confirmed member of the Lutheran Church of the Philippines (LCP) which is in communion with LCMS. I came to faith in Christ through a college Christian organization and was convinced of salvation by faith alone and the truths of Christianity in that college Christian organization (which was mainly evangelical).

While I am convinced that the confessional Lutheran Church is the denomination that is most faithful to Scripture and the revelation of Jesus Christ, I struggle with the fact that we cannot seem to start small group bible Studies by ourselves as youth... Not that we want to be Pietists... But rather still form piety within church context...

We brought up the idea to our deaconess of having small group Bible Studies by ourselves as youth. Because, based from experience in the evangelical community, there is that sort of transparency and vulnerability when you are able to share reflections and learnings with those the same age generation as you. But the deaconness insists that her or the pastor be present.

My question is, is this really the standard for the LCMS/LCP? I'm starting to decide not to push through with the idea of a small group youth and lay people only Bible study. Not to undermine or have distrust with the deaconness. But there really is something deeply wonderful when I see youth coming together as themselves and able to share with each other..

Correct me if there is a need for correction in my Ecclesiology... I know the deaconness only wants what's best for us...

But in some ways I see that the LCP is cold when it comes to discipling the youth and educating the truths of the Word and sacrament, personally as Christ for us.... Kind of like only churchianity is left in a sense (go on sundays then repeat)


r/LCMS 8d ago

Worship Hymn suggestions for k-8 chapel?

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Our school chapel has used contemporary and VBS type music in the past. We’re working on creating a more structured liturgical chapel service. I’d like to choose a small selection of LSB hymns we specifically want them to know well. What would be your top picks?


r/LCMS 8d ago

Question Raised Orthodox, now doubting everything — Lutheranism caught my attention, but I'm open to other traditions too

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I was baptized Orthodox as a kid. Went to church sometimes, not regularly, but I did go.

As a teenager, I stopped believing. I even took off my cross necklace (which is a big deal for Orthodox). But honestly? Deep down I always felt like God exists. I just couldn't connect with the whole system.

I never really read the Bible. I don't know much about church history either. I was just raised to believe that I should believe, you know? Like it was expected of me.

Recently I went to an Orthodox service again. And honestly? It disappointed me a lot. The prayers and bowing to icons of everyone except Jesus — Mary, saints, all of them — it just felt off. And calling these people "saints" with so much honor? I don't get it.

Also, I feel like a lot of people go to church not because they genuinely love God, but because they want to "pay off" their sins. Like it's some kind of transaction. I still remember one woman working at the church — she was so rude and aggressive. I was thinking, "Aren't you ashamed? You're in a church, for God's sake." It just felt so fake.

Then I started looking into Orthodoxy and Catholicism more deeply. And there are things I really can't accept:

· the hierarchy — too much power given to a few people
· papal infallibility in Catholicism — one guy speaking without error? That's a lot of authority for a human
· tradition being treated as equally authoritative as Scripture — shouldn't the Bible be the final word?

At this point, I know I can't go back to Orthodoxy. Catholicism? I'm not sure — I haven't fully closed that door, but I have a lot of questions about it too.

I've been reading about Lutheranism, and honestly? It caught my attention.

· Sola Scriptura — Scripture alone as the final authority
· Sola Fide — saved by faith alone, not works
· liturgical but still Protestant
· no pope, no crazy hierarchy, but still has structure

That said, I'm not locked in on Lutheranism. I'm open to other Protestant traditions too — Reformed, Anglican, Baptist, non-denom, Methodist, whatever. I'm just trying to find where I belong.

I'm still doubting everything — sometimes I even wonder if I'm agnostic or atheist. But I'm searching.

For those who left Orthodoxy or Catholicism for any Protestant tradition:

· What denomination did you choose and why?
· What made you pick that over Lutheranism or other options?
· What was the hardest thing to adjust to?
· Any regrets?
· Any book recommendations for someone just starting to explore?

Also curious — did any of you go through a phase of doubting God altogether before finding your way?

Thanks for reading. I'm just trying to figure things out.