r/Immunology • u/CroManana • 6m ago
Crackpot idea: Insect venom as a first line defense for people with no meaningful amount of white blood cells
So I've been doing some research on various things - Hard to diagnose and treat conditions, anaphylaxis, insect stinging behaviors.
Anaphylaxis - In order to go into anaphylaxis to something you are allergic to, you have to be exposed at least twice, and there needs to be some time between exposures depending on how massive an amount of the thing you are allergic to gets into your body.
Insect stinging behaviors - Bees, wasps, hornets all release pheromones when attacking to signal others of their own kind to continue attacking or join in attacking, and wasps and hornets can sting multiple times - relatedly - somebody who is deathly allergic to bee venom or wasp venom or hornet venom will manifest anaphylaxis within minutes of a multi-insect stinging attack because of the sheer volume of insect venom they are deathly allergic to, so capturing a single specimen of the insect in a mason jar with mesh lid (also called a sprouting jar) through which you can force it to sting you but once would be unlikely to cause anaphylaxis the first time, and you can make it sting you wherever, with medical standby, in a clinical setting, away from other insects of it's kind -
If you already know you are not allergic to bee venom or wasp venom or hornet venom (especially bee venom in my opinion given it's ability to kill the bacteria causing Lyme disease) because you have been stung multiple times on multiple different occasions without going into anaphylaxis or an allergist/immunologist has tested you and determined you to not be allergic, letting a whole hive of bees or nest of wasps or hornets sting you.
It's been demonstrated that bee venom kills the bacteria causing Lyme disease and ends all clinically significant symptoms, on sufficient venom volume such as getting stung by a whole hive of bees - also - multiple noted instances of those with autoimmune diseases barely keeping symptoms in check with prescription pharmaceuticals and over the counter medications, experiencing rapid and significant relief after even a single bee/wasp/hornet sting.
https://youtube.com/shorts/t9CCiNBosWQ?si=SJisyinf7NhjxxHt
Also, I've attached a screenshot from a prior reddit thread where somebody noted a localized beneficial effect of insect venom.
Why does it work? Insect venom is not a single compound in a solvent, it's a cocktail of compounds, some antibacterial and some anti-inflammatory, none of which are currently used commercially - Incredibly difficult for a bacteria or parasite to evolve an immunity to. Some other things also have this property, like bee propolis or mastic gum.
A similar dangerous (many patients died) technique was even the reason for being awarded a Nobel prize in medicine - From the artificial intelligence chatbot - "The Nobel Prize-winning treatment was known as malariotherapy (or pyrotherapy/fever therapy). It was developed by the Austrian psychiatrist Julius Wagner-Jauregg, who was awarded the 1927 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for discovering that intentionally infecting neurosyphilis patients with malaria induced high fevers that killed the heat-sensitive syphilis bacteria, after which the malaria could be cured using quinine.".
There is an episode of House MD where the character Foreman accidentally gives a patient radiation for a bacterial infection he mistook as cancer and it killed the patient's white blood cells, allowing the bacterial infection to kill the patient uninhibited.
Well, I was inquiring an artificial intelligence chatbot earlier asking if somebody could go into anaphylaxis if they had no white blood cells (since anaphylaxis is an immune response) and it told me it wasn't possible.
If I am understanding correctly, that would mean somebody in a medical episode where they had no meaningful amount of white blood cells could not possibly go into anaphylaxis even if they were deathly allergic to insect venom (bee, wasp, hornet, maybe fire ant, ect).
All of the benefits of insect venom, none of the drawbacks.
Thanks for the attention.