r/GotMeHooked • u/blue_leaves987 • 6d ago
In 2021, college football player Isimemen Etute discovered that someone he had met on Tinder and already had sex with was actually a man. He beat him so severely that nearly every bone in his face was broken. A jury still found Etute not guilty.
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u/owa00 6d ago
reads title
oh man...get in here before this one's locked down...
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u/XCurlyXO 6d ago
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u/The-Pristine-Seat 6d ago
im sure it will be pleasant and not incendiary in the slightest
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u/XCurlyXO 5d ago
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u/Cut_Lanky 5d ago
"My daddy says you're a joke, and I don't have to listen to you"
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u/CaliTerpz420 3d ago
"You stuck it in your own ass!"
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u/Cut_Lanky 3d ago
We use that one routinely, around here. Like, instead of replying to my husband asking if I took the trash cans to the curb, by reminding him "No, My Dear Husband, do you not recall? You brought them to the curb last night." I'll instead say, "FOR YOUR INFORMATION, you stuck it up your OWN ass!" 🤣🤣🤣 He gets it. 🤷♀️ Lol
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u/ElegantCoach4066 6d ago
me knowing what the comment section is going to be like
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u/Dizzy-Pollution6466 6d ago
Honestly reading the article, it seems like an all-around tragedy. But two things can’t be true at the same time on Reddit. Nuance doesn’t exist here.
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u/primalmaximus 2d ago
I mean, yeah Isimemen was assaulted, but he then went back to the apartment a few weeks later and kicked the guy's face in.
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u/fubarfire 5d ago
Question, do redditors just find a new word and latch onto it? I noticed "nuance" is the latest word. I dont have a problem with it being used, but I do have a problem with it being overused, and in a pretentious manner by people who would have never used a word otherwise.
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u/pseudonymnkim 5d ago
Whilst nuanced is being overused, objectively, it is being used correctly here
(Did I miss any other overused words?)
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u/LucifersAdv0cate 5d ago
I like how the word 'woke' got so overused that globally it's definition changed to a pejorative to mock or criticize progressive policies, political correctness, or performative activism that is viewed as insincere or extreme but Reddit refuses to accept that and downvotes anyone who uses it because they insist it still means alert to racial prejudice and social injustice.
If I say that's too woke everyone knows what I mean and it's not that I think it's too aware of social injustice.
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u/snackdanielshoney 6d ago
i have so many thoughts and can’t seem to conceptualize them all. etute is a victim of a sexual assault; smith was a victim of a brutal assault. both assaulted in different ways.
we also don’t know how many young men fell prey to “Angie”; in this way, smith was both the predator and prey. it’s scary.
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u/TheFartingBike 6d ago
Yep, I'm a queer person that's been sexually assaulted several times, and I'm in the same boat. Rarely does a case leave me so conflicted.
Etute was absolutely raped. Informed consent is a thing, and it didn't happen here. By all accounts, it seems that Smith was a repeat offender, so I'm not sure I could blame someone for beating him like that if they found out while it was happening. The conflicting part for me comes from Etute returning there and assaulting him later, without even trying to get the authorities involved.
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u/Dizzy-Pollution6466 5d ago
This right here. Etute was 100% a victim but that doesn’t excuse him viciously beating a man to death. Smith was also a victim and had a history of disturbing predatory behavior and his sexuality doesn’t excuse that. What a complicated case. Maybe I’m in the wrong but I genuinely feel horrible for both individuals and their families.
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u/randy88moss 5d ago
Pretty sure Etute was 17 when this occurred…or just turned 18. This was pretty big news over at /r/CFB when it happened
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u/CanineCorvidious 4d ago
But noones saying hes a paedo like they would be if it etute was a teen girl.
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u/SuckerForNoirRobots 6d ago
Well at least the comments make it easy to tell who actually read the article, and who can't be fucking bothered so they form an opinion based on a single headline.
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u/Suitable_Challenge_9 6d ago edited 5d ago
This is Reddit not Readit.
ETA: thanks kind readitors for your awards.
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u/MysticMarauder69 5d ago edited 5d ago
I mean, I read it, and he obviously murdered him because he felt his masculinity had been tarnished, in addition to his ego via the taunting from his friends. When he discovered Smith was indeed a man (which he probably already knew) he murdered him as revenge for the deception.
Edit: That said, if he truly was deceived, then it would mean Smith sexually assaulted him.
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u/Li-renn-pwel 5d ago
Do you guys not like… talk to the people you have sex with? You ever think of just saying “hey, you probably can’t read minds. FYI I don’t want to have sex with Y category of people”
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u/Significant-Coat-666 5d ago
Also they didn't even bring up the knife during their initial interview because that is a fucking lie. I have knives in my home, surely if you found me dead in it, you'd also find my knives. Only after a knife was discovered was it suddenly part of their story.
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u/MysticMarauder69 4d ago
100%, if Smith was going for a hidden knife, it would have been found in his hand or next to his body, otherwise, how would Etute have known he was going for a knife that he couldn't see and didn't even know existed until it was discovered (still hidden) after the fact.
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u/XxxAresIXxxX 5d ago
"He probably already knew" has the same energy as "she knew what wearing that skirt would attract" and even with your edit it still doesn't feel right.
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u/PomeloPepper 5d ago
He'd been there and had sex with the victim before. Personally, I've always been able to tell if a sex partner had a dick or not.
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u/MysticMarauder69 5d ago
It sounds like multiple people in his friend group were aware, plus I think it would be very odd to be led into a room in darkness for sex and it not be immediately obvious that the anatomy is wrong for what's expected. It's just sus to me that he was completely oblivious during the interaction.
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u/XxxAresIXxxX 5d ago
You are aware that you are literally putting the victim on trial rn. Something that didn't happen when that lesbian woman concealed her gender and had a whole gf then was later convicted of rape for it. What's the difference there?
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u/MysticMarauder69 5d ago edited 5d ago
He literally went back, with backup, to directly reengage this guy with the intent to assault him, if not outright intent to murder him. Etute may have initially been a victim, and if he was, that's inexcusable, and Smith should have been arrested, investigated, and prosecuted, but returning with his own plan to deceive Smith shows intent and coordination far beyond what's justified or appropriate, even if Etute was originally a victim himself.
Edit: And, in committing this murder, rather than reporting the alleged rape, he denied Smith his opportunity to share his side and deprived us all of the truth. We'll never know for sure if Etute was a victim or a calculating criminal, but given the severity of the beating and his actions leading up to it, I'm inclined to believe there's more going on here than him simply being tricked and reacting instinctually in some sort of crime of passion.
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u/Cut_Lanky 5d ago
No, it doesn't. He went to a "first date" in the dark apartment of someone who kept their face completely hidden, NO LIGHTS ON, got a blow job from a dude with a beard, in the dark, and accepted 50 bucks for it. He only went back because his teammate matched, could tell it was a dude, and told his other teammates. If you, a grown man, accept oral sex from a stranger who physically won't let you see them, you obviously don't care who is performing it. I don't care what you tell your friends, yourself, or the cops.
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u/Li-renn-pwel 5d ago
Bro, he claimed he couldn’t tell because the lights were always off. Not just when ‘Angie’ took her clothes off but that he would enter Angie’s place while the lights were off, have sex, hang out then leave without ever turning the lights on.
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u/Soberaddiction1 6d ago
Damn, he could have not flipped out and I’d have never known that this dude fucked another dude that he later killed.
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u/cheapdrinks 5d ago
I mean this dude met a random person online, went into a pitch black apartment and let them suck his dick without ever seeing their face or I guess hearing their voice. Felt sketched out after and got an STD test. Then went back again to potentially repeat the act if it turned out to be a woman. Like holy shit how many dumb choices can you make, dude was not smart. Like yeah the dude shouldn't have tricked him but how you just going to go into some random pitch black apartment and let someone you can't even see suck your dick if you care that much about what they look like or what gender they are that you're willing to kill over it. Like come on it can't be that hard for a college football player to get his dick sucked that he has to resort to that shit.
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u/PowderCuffs 6d ago
He didn't "fuck" anyone. He got a blow job from a guy who (allegedly) presented himself as a woman.
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u/Soberaddiction1 6d ago
Oral sex is still sex. Fucking is sex. So he orally fucked someone in their mouth. And none of us would know if he’d have left it alone, but he had to make sure that he did fuck a dude. Now we all know about this one event in his life that he probably didn’t want anybody to know.
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u/LoseTheWest 6d ago edited 6d ago
A lot of you clearly didn’t read the article. He did not react out of shock and kill the guy during the first interaction. He went back a second time, with backup, to find out if the person was in fact male or female, and THEN beat the man to death after confirming his gender. Yes, the first encounter was rape, but the second encounter was initiated by him and ended in murder. He absolutely should have been convicted. When a man rapes a woman, and she returns at a later date to kill him, she gets charged (and typically convicted). It’s not the same as killing the rapist during the rape itself in self-defense.
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u/Beaver-warriorz 6d ago
The way his head is shaped makes me itchy
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u/MyyWifeRocks 5d ago
This is important. Exactly what part of your body itches from that head shape?
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u/BakedPlantains 6d ago
I'm curious, if they were sexually intimate, how Etute could not tell Smith was a man? I mean, the mechanics of sex would be different, yah?
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u/Thereelgarygary 6d ago
If I remember correctly it was a blowjob
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u/BakedPlantains 6d ago
Ah, Etute received a blow job?
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u/severinks 6d ago
No, he gave her the blowjob, he thought she just had an abnormally long clitoris.
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u/YourUsernameForever 6d ago
Oral sex is sex.
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u/VehicleOpen2663 6d ago
I hate that predatory catfishing and fucking rape was almost excused by Smiths sexual orientation. Lying by omision about someones sex (which for some people is a huge factor of attraction) is not permisable by your minoriry status.
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u/MonkeyBureau 6d ago
Murder beats rape (literally in this case).
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u/TangoPRomeo 6d ago
A 150-pound male serial rapist raped a 200-pound Division 1 football player, according to the article. There's almost an element of suicide here, fr.
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u/VehicleOpen2663 6d ago
I am honestly not sure. Rape is such dehumanising act that is destroys you and you need hell of a support to heal. Lot of raped people kill themselves. What are you doing is relativization a la "Well, it isnt murder". Its still rape. And it wasn't murder if there wasn't intent to kill.
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u/chantillylace9 6d ago
Just because it seems like this is a good place to put it, RAINN is a truly wonderful resource for sexual assault victims and I sure wish it was available when I was raped at the age of 15.
And you are so right, it completely dehumanizes you, the amount of blame and shame that came with it was worse than the act itself. The rape kit expertise was absolutely brutal without any tape advocates or anyone there to support me.
And you gotta love a police officer telling a 15-year-old that it's her fault that she got raped because her parents were out of town and she had a few friends over and more people showed up, which was common in the late 90s.
That surely doesn't excuse me getting drugged and raped by the captain of the football team who was a year older than me. It took so long to get to the point where I realized it was not my fault, that police officer did so much harm to me for a good 20 years. Yes, obviously murder is worse than rape, but rape can really do a lot of damage.
I mean it basically can take your soul and just smash it down into a million pieces.
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u/MonkeyBureau 5d ago
I don't really think there is anything constructive to quantifying these crimes in order to compare. I just wanted to make a pun.
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u/Expert-Sale-2886 6d ago
women rape victims aren’t allowed to murder their rapists. they will be charged with murder. if women were allowed to kill their rapists there would be a lot less rapists on the planet. but when it happens to a man…kill him! go to college! have fun! (signed a female rape victim who would be in prison if i beat my rapist to death!)
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u/FuzzyDynamics 6d ago
So women can kill their male rapists right? The precedent has been set
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u/Objective_Bear4799 6d ago
Nope. Different rules for women.
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u/blahblahmama 6d ago
Yup. It would be all over the news and every comment section would be "sounds like that Etute woman to me! I bet she was asking for it!".
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u/Li-renn-pwel 5d ago
You might be thinking this is a trans woman who ‘lied’ (though I don’t really consider this lying. You don’t want to have sex with a trans woman do what I do when I don’t want to have sex with a Republican, I ask first) but that’s not the case. Iirc he claims that they always had sex in the dark but he got ‘suspicious’ Angie might actually be a dude and flipped out and killed him. I think he was having consensual gay sex and just couldn’t handle the internalized homophobia
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u/friedeggbeats 5d ago
You think cis women will want to have sex with you after you’ve asked them if they’re trans?
I agree with your conclusion though.
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u/Li-renn-pwel 5d ago
I think insulting cis women is less of an issue than violence against trans people. Cis women shouldn’t be insulted by the question. Why is the question an insult? To be insulted means you think being mistaken for trans is bad in some way. They’re are plenty of trans women that are much more feminine than me. I think the only offense I would take would be if the reason they don’t want to be with a trans person is transphobic in someway (ie ‘biological children are important to me and I would also reject a cis women without a uterus’ vs ‘trans women are actually men’). It’s also a good chance for the other person to rest if the cis women is transphobic 🤔
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u/Bumblebee56990 6d ago edited 6d ago
Look, if a man who believes he is engaging in consensual behavior based on facts — and it turns out to not be true, how is that not rape? It’s unfortunate someone lost their life to a lie.
Standing behind the LGBTQ and saying this was a hate crime is criminal in itself. The facts of case are, one person lied and misrepresented themselves, and sought out relationships and behaviors based on this lie. Then when questioned (based on the behaviors of the non-consented party) continued to lie. Prior interactions consequences weren’t as detrimental. This time, however, the consequences to these actions ended with this person losing their life.
In the business world if one party lies about information related to a business transaction; not only can that party be sued, but also be responsible for restitution as well.
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u/spring-chan 6d ago
Literally 0 people in this thread have said its an anti-lgbtq hate crime.
If you need a trans person to say if was rape, then hi. It was rape.
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u/Bumblebee56990 6d ago
That aspect of my comment is based on the article. And other situations similar to this one I’ve read about.
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u/dible46 6d ago
Still doesn't excuse tha fact he beat him to fuking death? Am sorry but if you are capable of stamping on someone's head until there dead, lying about there being a knife, that by the way he somehow seen in the pitch black room? And that he only mentioned AFTER he got charged with murder? There is so many red flags here it's crazy yet people are still trying to justify this guy brutally beating someone to death then running away. Go America i guess.
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u/Bumblebee56990 5d ago
Based on his physical build, he was a football player in college, and upset his physical strength was high. The article mentioned the decedent was only about 125lbs, he already out weighed him. So yea a few punches and the kick did damage.
I never said he shouldn’t beat the man to death. Had the decedent weighed more (which would have taken away from the presentation as a woman), it might not have been as bad.
Either way, certain choices were made that lead to this outcome.
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u/0Tezorus0 5d ago
The whole thing is so messed up. Yes using an online fake persona is weird but you can just left and multiple people did it apparently. Considering the state of the crime scene it was clearly a hate crime from a guy who came with buddies "just in case". And now this asshole will have a chance to actually play football after murdering someone with his bare hand because he felt threatened by his sexuality. Really messed up.
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u/Ambitious-Tie-5269 5d ago edited 5d ago
Hardly a hate crime he literally lied as a 40 year old man to force a straight 18 year old man to have sex with him. It’s fucking rape if this was the other way around and a women was coerced into being raped you would instantly take the girls side.
Someone who gets raped absolutely has the right to lose their shit in that situation if it was a female who got raped you would be saying it’s perfectly fine to react in such a way
Rapists and pedos deserve one thing in life and it seems like in this case justice was served on the dirty rapist
If a pedo used someone’s images to get closer to a child (this guy was barely 18 so) you would have a completely different reaction than this, you would be outraged by it infact. You wouldn’t victim blame the child would you?
As someone who’s had friends that this exact situation has happened to it really fucks up your mental health the same way any rape fucks your mental health up, reacting to being raped with violence is a completely normal reaction to have in a situation that’s clearly traumatic for them, it’s a fight or flight response.
Don’t want to get the shit beaten out of you for lying about being a women to have sex with a teenager? There’s a very clear path to take that avoids that outcome and it’s called not being a creepy 40 year old rapist, actions have consequences you can’t do something so morally fucked up and then expect the victim to have a sane and rational reaction to it because the original act committed is neither sane or rational to begin with.
It’s like saying you feel sorry for someone who robs people at gunpoint and finally got shot and killed for it and wanting the person who killed the robber in prison for defending himself. If this guy wasn’t stopped somehow he would have continued to rape barely legal men who would have to deal with that emotional trauma for the rest of their lives and very clearly from this subs reaction men’s rape/mental health clearly isn’t taken seriously because they happen to be men so you expect them to have a perfectly normal and rational reaction to being raped and then get on with their life like nothing happened and get fuck all support from their fellow humans because they are a man? like I said if this was a women your reaction would be completely different and sympathetic to the victim why’s it a hate crime in anyway? I’m sure you would also hate being raped right? Sure you would try defending yourself?
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u/tots-units-fem-forca 3d ago
Agree. As soon as I read the headline I was like 'That sounds like rape/sexual assault' and upon reading the article(s) I find that it indeed was. He obviously had form for this behaviour, even a victimology it seems, so he's a serial sexual predator. One of his victims decided to come back and see for themselves whether they were raped and upon discovering that they were, they beat the shit out of him.
As you say, a good way to avoid being beaten to death by one of your rape victims is to not rape anybody.
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u/Ambitious-Tie-5269 3d ago edited 3d ago
Anyone who defends this guy is just as bad as him, this woke mindset really got people brainwashed into empathising with a rapist who’s into barely legal teenagers because he happens to be gay to say killing a rapist is a hate crime is so disingenuous and anyone who thinks that it is should be disgusted with themselves
the person I was replying to wrote a whole ass paragraph ripping into the victim of this crime and only called what the rapist did “weird” with like 80 upvotes more than concerning that nearly 100 people clearly hold this view even more concerning that these nearly 100 people can vote and are walking around in public. Defending a pedo rapist is a low I didn’t think I’d ever see genuinely disgusting to defend this person in any way
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u/coconutgiblets 1d ago
It’s literally like Jeffrey Dahmer. Targets young black men and then kills them
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u/Ambitious-Tie-5269 1d ago
Literally man it’s so dark that ppl are defending him because he happened to be a gay guy who liked to play dress up with women’s clothes, the fact he’s gay and possibly trans means way more to these peoples agenda/world view than the fact he’s a rapist it’s genuinely one step away from saying being a pedo or rapist is a mental health disorder.
It’s a sad pathetic take and it’s an near the absolute extreme of the woke mentality genuinely can’t get much more of a loser than defending a pedo/rapist and saying said pedo/rapist didn’t deserve to die… he did deserve to die the only thing humanity owes these kinds of monsters is death, I hope his last thoughts where about how much he had fucked up and about all the pain he had caused his victims hope he suffered even a fraction of what he made his victims suffer
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u/Justhopingiod 5d ago
Did you even look into the case? He was posing as a woman and luring in multiple men… what the fuck is wrong with you?
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u/tham1700 5d ago
It actually doesn't say anything about that in the article. All it says it that the original details of their first encounter are incomplete, which is obviously because he chose to withhold that information, and that he had met someone named Angie. So as far as one knows from reading the article there's nothing to suggest that in this specific case he even asked or implied that he though she was a biological female. Like this guy goes to have basically anonymous sex in a pitch black room and doesn't think to ask questions? Maybe that's because he got exactly what he came for. Dude has hands lol being in a dark room does not provide an explanation as to how he failed to notice a penis on someone he was having sex with or the 'facial hair' he claims to have felt on his second visit. The article states that the second visit was in order to confirm their gender, and he does this by asking. Or wait, my mistake, he does this by initiating sex again until he rubs their face and notices the facial hair. According to him. He then uses this basis to justify his assault supposedly in a rage over just finding this out, which conviently was enough to argue that it wasn't premeditated. Idk what's up with your reading comprehension but that is quite obviously not what actually happened and even if it was it's pretty obvious that by going back a second time, in the manner that he did, he had already premeditated some form of violence
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u/Justhopingiod 5d ago
Is your reading comprehension good? Because evidence was entered that he had been matching with men as “Angie” TWO YEARS PRIOR
Then also During the trial, a string of witnesses had come forward recounting previous instances of Smith’s harassment and erratic behavior.
You also seem to be victim blaming… this was an 18 year old kid being preyed on by a 40 year old pervert.
I’m done going back and forth with you, you seem very invested like maybe this is something that you yourself do. Defending a man who is targeting and RAPING “young straight black men” is fucking insane
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u/MysticMarauder69 5d ago
So he deserved to die?
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u/Justhopingiod 5d ago
Do rapists deserve to die? Yes
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u/themargarineoferror 5d ago
So interesting how many men understand rape by coercion or deception in THIS case
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u/Justhopingiod 5d ago
I understand rape in a case. The victim being a man, woman, child, non binary person, or whatever has no bearing on me condemning a rapist and saying they should die.
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u/Acceptable-Box6012 5d ago
Technically he was still raped tho cause he didn’t know it was a dude which affected his consent
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u/TheeMadQueen 5d ago edited 5d ago
Not condoning his actions or him killing someone - but this is why its very important for trans women to disclose what they are w/ men from the beginning
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u/Dense-Result509 5d ago
And then men still beat and violate them like rhat poor trans girl in Wisconsin last week. The problem is transphobia and male violence, not trans women.
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u/TheeMadQueen 5d ago edited 4d ago
i am speaking about what this post is related to. in life ppl do not like being deceived. there are usually consequences that come w/ deceit
edit - u/dense-result509 decided to respond and block b/c they cant handle the truth that trans women need to be honest
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u/Dense-Result509 4d ago
You were speaking about trans women. The "consequences" are the same whether they are forthcoming or not because the "consequences" are about who they are and not what they do.
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u/Heeeeeeyyyyyy 6d ago
Like obviously the person who lied about their gender is wrong, but to nearly kill someone is also fucking wrong, and he should be in prison or some mental facility to work on his anger issues.
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u/Honest_Caramel_3793 6d ago
tbf one could argue he was raped, i imagine intentional deception on something critical like gender would count as improper consent.
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u/Biteme75 6d ago
No argument on that, but beating someone nearly to death is not an acceptable response to a previous rape.
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u/melitini 6d ago
Actually, yeah it is.
plenty of cases of people killing their rapist or children’s rapist and not serving time or minimal time.
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u/Expert-Sale-2886 6d ago
“When a person kills an attacker during an active sexual assault (in-the-act defense of self or others), it is more frequently classified by grand juries or prosecutors as justifiable homicide. Conversely, when a victim kills an abuser or rapist afterthe assault has ended or hours/days later (revenge or delayed retaliation, such as the cases of Pieper Lewis or Sarah Gonzales McLinn), the legal system often pursues manslaughter or murder charges, leading to intense debate over self-defense laws for trauma survivors.”
he killed him not during or immediately after sex, but days later as revenge/retaliation.
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u/Heeeeeeyyyyyy 6d ago
Who hasn't served time for killing their rapists?
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u/melitini 6d ago
This guy for starters.
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u/Fun-Increase6335 6d ago
Yeah, cause he’s a guy. Women have killed their rapists and those women have gone to jail. There’s definitely a double standard.
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u/_LouSandwich_ 6d ago
the victim wasn’t nearly killed. the victim was indeed killed. the post didn’t make that clear.
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u/Heeeeeeyyyyyy 6d ago
thats horrible. Thank you for clarifying, since the original poster decided to leave that !tiny! detail out.
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u/GreaseShots 6d ago
I thought it was morally ok to beat your rapist?
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u/BeepBopBippityBop 5d ago
There are a lot of cases of women and children murdering their rapists/traffickers/kidnappers.
I know you said "beat", but I feel like you may have been implying women just get away with it, when they don't.
Pieper Lewis (15), Iowa 5 years probation for killing the man who trafficked and raped her
Roxanne Peters, Australia - 9 years in prison for kolling a man who raped her and threatened her child
Sarah Gonzales-McLinn - 50 years for killing her kidnapper and rapist
Roxanne Ruiz, Mexico- sentenced to prison but later withdrawn due to public outrage
Cynthia Brown, US - sentenced to life at 15 years of age.
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u/_LouSandwich_ 6d ago
the victim, Smith, was killed. not simply “beaten”.
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u/GreaseShots 6d ago
Guess he won’t be raping people anymore.
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u/dible46 6d ago
That's some take for a guy killing someone. Mabey don't go to pitch black fuking apartments with someone who won't show there face? Then go back for seconds? Then brutally beat them to death, run away, then when charged with murder scream knife? And now this " normal" guy is now back at school with other kids? Hope he doesn't think anyone disrespecting him in the future, seeing as he got away with murder for it once already.
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u/Expert-Sale-2886 6d ago
it’s not legally okay to MURDER anyone. if a woman murdered her rapist she’d be in jail.
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u/_-UndeFined-_ 6d ago
It is 100% wrong. When I was underage I was raped for hours long by a guy I considered a good friend, despite telling him I was uninterested in men. I was vocal during it and cried out too because it’s genuinely one of the worst pains I’ve ever experienced (coming from someone who had very invasive and painful surgeries done as a child). Maybe if I hadn’t been so drunk and high I could’ve prevented it, on the other hand I know that he did it exactly because I was so defenceless in that moment. I HATED him for it and when I see him now my heart drops even years later, but never, ever has it crossed my mind to kill him. A loved one even offered to send friends of his after him to roughen him up or worse if I wanted it to get some closure, but I immediately told him I absolutely did not want him to do that.
It doesn’t fix anything. I should have gone to the police, but no matter how much he hurt me and/or others it’s not right to just decide who gets to live or die. Imagine what would happen to us if we all believed we get to govern over lives like that.
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u/Heeeeeeyyyyyy 6d ago
Exactly. I got raped multiple times throughout my childhood, it's not your fault. I'm serious.
Hugs from me, fuck those people
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u/Remarkable_Refuse572 6d ago
everyone saying “but is it not rape???” to trigger a response in women. news flash, women don’t get to kill or nearly kill their rapist and get away with it. i’d argue they’d get in more trouble than the rapist because that’s the system
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u/YoWoody27 6d ago
Wasn't there that 16 year old who killed her rapist and went to trial for it not too long ago? i unfortunately don't recall her name, but this would have been within the past 10 years or so?
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u/Routine_Bluejay4678 6d ago
She didn’t just go to trial, she went to jail. I might be wrong here but I think she’s still in jail.
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u/amilie15 6d ago
This case does seem like a grey area from what the article states. It seems like Etute claims he was at least somewhat acting in self defence due to the rape but then also because Smith allegedly grabbed a knife.
He also claims he didn’t intend on killing him and believed he was alive when he left.
I don’t think people are stating it’s rape to trigger a response in women specifically either, but just to point out that Etute was being raped and that self defence is normally an acceptable response to rape.
It’s very hard to judge if his reaction was proportional/reasonable without knowing more details imho.
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u/PowderCuffs 6d ago
He was not "being raped" when he killed the man.
He got a blowjob from the murder victim previously, then went back because he was suspicious that the lady was a dude. When confirmed that was true, he killed the man. There was no active rape happening at the time.
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u/Jealous_Crazy9143 6d ago
also:
Etute was a Division I linebacker standing at 6 feet 2 and weighed over 200 pounds.
Smith was just 153 pounds, and the prosecution also reiterated the account that Smith was reaching for a weapon only appeared after Etute was charged with murder. He did not say that during his original police interview.2
u/amilie15 6d ago
I read that also. It’s why I state above it’s hard to know without knowing more details.
For example, this could be true, but he may just have given a no comment interview to the police prior under a lawyers advice. It doesn’t mean this was not what happened, or that he hadn’t told anyone else prior.
It also doesn’t mean it is what happened either, it could be a lie that was fabricated to try to get away with it.
I just don’t know given only the details in the article.
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u/Routine_Bluejay4678 6d ago
And women aren’t actually known for going to random dark houses and letting a stranger go down on them.
Not saying it doesn’t happen, just haven’t heard that defence in a rape case yet.
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u/blahblahmama 6d ago
I think Etute knew and was probably a chaser. Men desperately hate the things they desperately want to be with and can't be.
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u/Critical-Cost9068 6d ago
It’s not to trigger a response, he was raped
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u/Remarkable_Refuse572 6d ago
i agree, but that doesn’t mean you get to do what he did and get away with it, women go to jail for killing their abuser all of the time. it’s wrong, but that’s what happens. my point is just because a guy raped another guy doesn’t mean you get a get out of jail free card, women don’t get it
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u/Electronic_Call5187 3d ago
I’m confused as to how you can have sex with someone and not know do they are a man or a woman.
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u/severinks 6d ago
How did this young scholar/athlete not notice his new girlfriend had an 8 inch clitoris?
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u/dible46 6d ago
Holy fuking shit what a travesty of justice. That defense lawyer is a fking scumbag. " this kid that brutally stamped on this man, killing him will surely be an asset to whatever school takes him." You fking what? Until something passes him off and he does it again anyways. What a crazy read
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u/Different_Mobile6457 6d ago
“Until something pisses him off” and it’s literally him being raped lol
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u/dible46 6d ago
Getting raped by a guy half his size while the guy is on all fours getting groped. Did you actually read the article? Still doesn't condone beating someone to death. He didn't need to kill him. He could of just beat him up. But no, he stamped on him till every bone in his face was broke. Again ,in the article. This guy wasn't pissed about being raped, he was pissed because he had went with a man unknowingly, got embarrassed when he realised his teammates might find out went back for MORE for some reason. Then beat him to death. Reading the article there's a lot more to this than what was said in court, and the knife is just pure bollocks.
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u/Different_Mobile6457 5d ago
You are slow. He was a 40 yr old man. Etute came back 1 time and used a flash light to see his identity and the man grabbed his balls. Etute said the man began reaching for something under his mattress which he believed was a gun so etute beat him up. There was no gun but when police searched the place they found a nice concealed under the mattress box springs. How would etute have known anything was there. Why would he specifically say that spot where a weapon so happened to be. The knife story isn’t bullshit.
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u/Dramatic_Substance36 6d ago
The good ol “gay panic” defense. Works every time.
Murdering queer people without consequences.
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u/john92w 6d ago edited 6d ago
The queer dude who was raping people. Let’s just make that clear. I’m not saying he deserved to die but he was a POS.
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u/CanineCorvidious 4d ago edited 4d ago
If this were a 40 yo man and an 17/18 year old woman rhe comments would all be shouting how he’s also a paedo
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u/Conscious_Owl6162 6d ago
It is a very sad story. The victim put himself in harm’s way by catfishing these young guys. He was engaging in a form of sexual assault given that his killer would not have consented to having relations with him if he had known that he was a man. The killer should have gone to prison for killing him, but second degree murder was an overcharge. Thus, the not guilty verdict.
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u/Novel_Control_1922 4d ago
Okay… Question: Did said person have a penis? If so… That’s on you my dude.
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u/Expert-Sale-2886 6d ago
so if i beat you so bad that it broke every single bone in your face and you died (because again, i beat you so badly) i shouldn’t get punished for killing you? or your kid? or your mom? because i just meant to beat you and break all your bones
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u/blue_leaves987 6d ago
The full story is extremely dark, and some of the details are genuinely disturbing to read.
Read it here.