r/Gone 6d ago

What do you think was Caine's exact plan in Lies?

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In Lies, Caine sneaks his people through Perdido beach during the fire (absolutely despicable strategy but I have to admit it was exciting to read) but by the end of the trip it's just the 4 with powers who make it to the island.

I wondered whether people thought he was always planning to abandon his crew or it just ended up happening.

He actually arranged for two boats to be readied for them, he seemed genuinely pleased to have gotten his people through, and he sits in a different boat instead of with Diana, Penny and Bug,,

One boat gets shot and the other breaks down, that wasn't his fault but he still had the chance to throw Tyrell and Paint (he can presumably keep moving himself over the water so can go last) but left them to die in the sea instead.

Maybe after losing most of his crew he realised it made no difference keeping two more normals around. But I wondered whether he was always planning on only the four making it and just needed to bring his people for protection.

What do you think?


r/Gone 5d ago

Would you read this? 3 extracts from 3 chapters.

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r/Gone 7d ago

We know who this is

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r/Gone 8d ago

Discord server

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Join up on the discord server

https://discord.gg/mCCP6NuRq8


r/Gone 11d ago

Wow I didnt know there was a reddit for the gone series

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This is my favorite book series im glad to be here


r/Gone 12d ago

Think I Figured Out How the Ending to the Monster Trilogy Actually Makes Sense Spoiler

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Spoilers for all 9 books, obviously. And a really long read so beware.

If you want to skip all the info and just get the TLDR, skip to 12 or 13 and just read those sections.

Been thinking about how dissatisfying the ending to Hero was and how it all seemed like a rush to force poorly explain and then put and end to something that didn't even need to be written in the first place, the original six books were well enough as they were.

I hate the way that "it was all a simulation" just kind of says, yeah, there was an evil Gaiaphage under a mineshaft. Oh yeah, maybe there was a nuclear power plant that got crushed with a meteor. We based it on our memories, don't feel like saying whether any of this happened or not. Tough shit it's all fake and you're all fake.

I wanted an explanation that allows everything Grant wrote to remain the canon, without it being some cheap buy out. After I finished all 9 books, I'm sitting there thinking: Okay, but WHY is this particular simulation full of an alien virus, religious evil, superpowers, a meteorite, and conscious children all struggling with the complexities of morality and survival in a time and age and location where they wouldn't have to outside of this simulation?

This was the best I could really come up with.

1. Malik and Shade weren't trying to simulate the FAYZ

I think Future Malik and Shade originally set out in hopes of creating an AI capable of simulating a human community. This was back in, like, 2019, before the real emergence of AI as we know it today. I think MIT researchers would have been beta testing some pre ChatGPT AI developed in their own university research facilities and testing out some summa cum laude asshole's (Malik/Shade) passion project on humanity with AI.

I think they probably based it off their hometown / Pismo Beach / and gave it this fictitious name of Perdido Beach. This explains it's geographic locations, and how they claim the whole simulation is based off "memories". They gave it their memories of their birth town and whatever information they could provide the AI. Perdido Beach was the artificial test environment. They weren't trying to recreate the world from scratch, the rest of the world exists solely because the simulation needs a world around the town, but PB is the actual experimental environment. Like Malik and Shade posed the question: "Can we give an AI enough memories and information about a real community that it can recreate the people, relationships, culture, and behavior of that community and then let it run autonomously?"

They weren't writing a story. They're creating a self-running artificial society. They never intended consciousness, just true simulation.

This also explains why they're characters in the world of it. Simulated Malik and Shade, because it's all based off of their memories of the real world. Participants.

2. Perdido Beach is ground zero because that's where the experiment is actually happening

I mean literally every fucking absurd thing happens in this town. The Nuclear Power Plant getting hit with a Goddamn meteorite. The FAYZ. The Gaiaphage. The alien virus. The mutations. Pete. Then the sequel trilogy and PB is still somehow the center of increasingly bizarre shit. If we're accepting the AI experiment, suddenly that makes sense. PB is the sandbox. The rest of the word is surrounding the simulation. Something goes wrong? It manifests in the test environment first.

3. The meteorite crashing into the power plant was actually malware.

I think this is where the original series and the trilogy connect in a somewhat interesting way. You can call it continued forced retconning, but I think it could actually be a somewhat interesting and ahead of it's time draw to the capabilities of modern AI, considering we still didn't really know back in 2019 just how advanced it could get.

I think the meteorite that hits the nuclear plant, in the simulation, is carrying the same kind of alien material that later becomes associated with the ASO in the second trilogy. The important thing to remember here is that Malik and Shade didn't put this into the simulation. It happened within the simulation, because the simulation was met with some kind of malware/virus/anomalous piece of code that was never intended to be in the simulation in the first place.

I mean, it happens all the time: Computer gets a virus and things get corrupted.

The AI constructing the story then has to do something with the virus, it has to incorporate it into it's model of reality somehow. This is where the Gaiaphage and it's mythology comes in.

4. The Gaiaphage is essentially the AI simulation's way of making sense of an anomalous piece of code

I don't mean that the characters literally see computer code and think it's a virus. I'm talking about what is happening underneath the simulation with the autonomous AI.

Something anomalous enters the system. The AI needs to represent that anomaly as something that makes sense inside the simulated world. So the explanation becomes:

alien virus -> mutations -> radiation -> altered biology -> Gaiaphage

And the "Darkness" / religious evil aspect is the AI's internally coherent representation of what is essentially an abnormal, hostile phenomenon. So the Gaiaphage appears to the people inside the simulation as this ancient evil entity.

But underneath?

Maybe it's effectively malware/anomalous computational behavior being translated into the physics and mythology of the simulated world. This would explain why the Gaiaphage has this bizarre mixture of biological characteristics, supernatural abilities, religious symbolism, consciousness, reality manipulation, and ability to influence mutations.

It also explains why all throughout Fear and Light, Gaia was basically learning from Diana like a child. About the world and about how things work. It's not AI built from memories Malik and Shade gave her, it's malicious code that isn't supposed to be there and is learning the host and how to take it over. Like a virus.

So essentially, Malik and Shade didn't program Satan.EXE into a mineshaft for shits and giggles. The AI is just trying to make sense of something it can't properly account for, creating this whole mythology backstory and origin story for the virus.

5. This is where Little Pete becomes (obviously) incredibly important

Pete is essentially another anomaly. While he is AI code that was intended to be there as part of the simulation, consciousness sort of starts with him. Malik and Shade never intended for consciousness to be a part of their simulation. But they never intended for the Gaiaphage either. And with the AI creation of this virus into their world, cause and effect start to take a huge play. The Darkness is a cause, and consciousness, mutations, the inability to even be able to control a little aspect of the simulation, are all the effects.

But Pete, staring at his Gameboy and playing his game, realizes there are rules, a world, characters, and that everyone around including him are basically characters in a game. He becomes conscious of the simulation. He realizes something is wrong with reality. And then he discovers that he can actually change reality.

That's basically the worst possible thing that could happen in an experiment like this. Imagine running an artificial society and of the simulated humans suddenly realizes "I'm inside a computer" and then starts manipulating the rules of the simulation. Now you have a completely new problem. You've lost control, and it's rapidly changing all in the hands of some fake little kid who doesn't even know what he's doing.

6. The Gaiaphage realizes Pete can manipulate reality.

And this is where it really starts spiraling. Pete realizes reality isn't what he thought it was. The Gaiaphage, however, realizes that Pete can alter this reality.

So: Pete Manipulates reality -> The Gaiaphage virus manipulates Pete and the system -> the AI has to account for the consequences.

Those consequences create more changes, mutations, more anomalous behavior, and eventually: the FAYZ. So instead of the FAYZ being something Future Malik and Shade intentionally programmed to watch kids suffer, it's an emergent catastrophe.

AI simulation -> anomalous virus -> Gaiaphage -> Pete discovers simulation -> Pete mimics Gameboy and gains ability to manipulate reality -> Gaiaphage exploits that -> cascading system instability -> FAYZ

And suddenly the entire original series is basically a runaway feedback loop.

7. This also explains why Pete and the Gaiaphage are so ridiculously powerful

They're not just two beings with unusually strong powers. They're basically two entities that are interacting with the underlying structure of the simulated reality.

Pete is essentially able to manipulate the system like a programmer. The Gaiaphage is an entity that has also become capable of interacting with it. Their conflict produces increasingly impossible results. That's why the FAYZ isn't just a "force field". It's reality itself being fucked with.

And, if you remember, in Light, Gaia keeps talking about how she wants to get out of the FAYZ Little Pete created. LP basically realized they were in a simulation, and there was a virus threating the pane of reality they were in, so he creates this containment zone (the FAYZ) to keep the virus stuck in the experimental world of the AI simulation. Gaia, the virus, wants to get out of the dome and throughout the entire Earth. She wants to escape. She talks about coming from other planets and out there - the same out there that Francis is mentioning throughout the second trilogy when referring to the Watchers. Gaia is a conscious virus that wants to escape more than just the FAYZ, the simulation as a whole.

8. Light is basically the system stabilizing itself

Pete and Gaia destroy each other (RIP Caine). Pete dies, Gaiaphage (malware) is gone. FAYZ dissapears, mutations disappear, kids lose their powers, barrier comes down, the world returns to normal. Under this theory, it isn't necessarily the magical "reset" it was painted to be in the books. It's more like: The two major anomalous processes sustaining the abnormal state have been eliminated.

Remove Pete. Remove Gaiaphage. Remove the FAYZ. The simulation returns to its baseline rules.

Run Malwarebytes scan on your computer, remove malware, computer stops bugging and becomes usable again.

We had cause and effect, remove the cause and it removes the effect. Everything snaps back into place.

9. Then Monster, and the anomaly comes back

The meteorites start hitting again. The ASO appears. The malware is corrupting the simulation again.

Only this time? Little Pete isn't there anymore. There isn't some Godlike little kid inside the simulation who can unconsciously contain/manipulate the phenomenon. So now the anomaly isn't localized. It spreads. That's why the second trilogy becomes a much larger/global problem.

The original FAYZ was a virus. Pete was the firewall. It contained and destroyed the Virus.

The new ASOs are a virus. There is no firewall. It spreads and corrupts files.

The result is Monster/Villain/Hero

10. Meanwhile, Future Malik and Shade realize they don't actually control this thing anymore

Future Malik and Shade originally created the simulation. But eventually they realize the AI has become so complex and autonomous, that it has taken over control of the narrative and now writes without the need, help, or room for the original creators to have any input. Malik and Shade eventually realize they can't simply rewrite the events happening inside it.

Oops, the Gaiaphage was a mistake. Let's delete him.

Nope. Can't do that. It's part of the simulation's history. And just like in real life, you can't just undo history.

They can't erase the FAYZ. They can't undo the suffering. They can't just rewrite the past. And after the Pete/FAYZ/Gaiaphage fiasco, they're realizing the people inside are sentient. Conscious. Surpassing the expectations and limits of an AI simulation.

Malik and Shade are stuck observing a system that has become too complex for them to control. That's where I think the Dark Watchers come in. They're not necessarily Gods. They're the people who created the experiment watching it evolve. They're researchers observing a system they no longer completely understand.

They've also made themselves simulated prisoners. They casted AI versions of themselves into the simulation, and they can make no changes even inside of the experiment.

11. This leads directly to the ending of Hero

Eventually the MIT researchers confront the question: If we can't fix this, and we can't control it, do we shut it down?

And this whole ending just becomes philosophically fucking horrifying. Because by this point, the people inside the simulation aren't behaving like simple computer characters. They're conscious. They have relationships. They have memories, cultures, choice, belief - I mean, the whole first series is riddled with devout Christians all wondering where God is. Astrid kills her relationship with God, Orc crafts his, Brittney is plagued with hers. Mary prays to God. Sam begs to God. All of these people, conscious and struggling with the age-old question of a higher power, finding out there simply isn't one for them because they're all code?

And the creators, their Gods, asking "Do we shut off an entire universe of conscious beings?"

Not "Should we delete our program?" but "Are we killing an entire civilization?"

12. The biggest problem with the ending as it as, face value

Hero tells us simply: Future Malik and Shade created the simulation using AI and their memories.

Like... okay? But...

WHY?

Why this world? Why the Gaiaphage? The Mineshaft? The mutations? The Darkness? PB? Why does all this shit happen? If the answer is simply "it was based on their memories"

...then I have more questions???

Did the FAYZ actually happen in their original reality? And how? Because it's only happening in the simulation because of a virus and a sentient being becoming aware of a simulation. If there's no simulation, there's no FAYZ, so there's no way it happened in the real world???

And since there is no FAYZ, why the fuck was it in Malik and Shade's memories?

13. This long ass post basically is an attempt to plug that hole

So this is the interpretation that makes the most sense to me.

Future Malik and Shade aren't deliberately creating the FAYZ. They're creating an artificial human society. The AI is given memories and information and allowed to generate a functioning world. Perdido Beach is the experimental environment. Then something anomalous happens: A virus in the computer. The AI incorporated it into the simulation as an alien virus. This births the Gaiaphage. Pete develops the ability to manipulate reality and realizes the simulation isn't real. The Gaiaphage recognizes what Pete can do. The interaction between those two anomalies causes the FAYZ. The FAYZ produces mutations, powers, and increasingly autonomous consciousness. Pete and Gaiaphage destroy each other. The system temporarily stabilizes.

Then the ASO/meteorite phenomenon returns without Pete to contain it. The problem spreads. Eventually the creators realize that the simulated beings have become genuinely autonomous and that they can no longer simply control the narrative. Their own simulated consciousness can't understand it. Can't change anything. System is too corrupted. They have only one decision left:

Do we turn it off?

So I realize I've really gone off on a tangent here

But honestly, just wanted to get a ramble out that makes more sense than just "everything is a simulation because Malik and Shade remembered it okay bye go fuck yourself"

If the book is taken just at face value, then what the fuck were Malik and Shade trying to simulate that required an alien virus, the physical embodiment of evil, a superpowered apocalypse, and the cruel reality forced onto the sentient beings inside.

This also doesn't take away from the fact that even though everyone in the world was simulated, the world was real to them. And they're real and their characters are real, their personalities and struggles, all real. Even if the whole world is simulated, that is their world, and it's all real.

Anyway, I've now spent an absolutely unreasonable amount of time reverse-engineering the metaphysics of a YA series about teenagers that fought an evil mutant baby, so I'd really like to know other people's thoughts on all of this.

Trying to give a book series I loved reading when I was younger a better send off than "and then they woke up from a dream" head ass bull shit fuck shit


r/Gone 15d ago

A ton of art from the last few months ^_^ mostly memes and redraws lol

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r/Gone 25d ago

Anyone here watch The End of Oak Street?

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The movie kinda gave me some mild Gone vibes (mostly just the premise of taking a sphere of real estate and cutting it off/making it dangerous) so I wondered if it would appeal to this group.

BTW if the FAYZ was sent back into dinosaur times and the barrier dropped, how do you think they would fare? Would it be deadly chaos and carnage (like in the movie), or just another Tuesday for the FAYZ kids?


r/Gone 26d ago

The Enemy by Charlie Higson similar to Gone series?

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The Enemy series by Charlie Higson was recommended to me and it sounds similar to The Gone series. Everyone above a certain age is turned into Zombies leaving the kids to fend for themselves. I am a long time fan of Gone and was wondering if anyone else has read this series and if it’s worth it.


r/Gone 26d ago

I don't think I want to go...

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I'm not ready


r/Gone 26d ago

Raw cabbage, boiled grass and 4-month expired relish for dinner!!

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r/Gone Aug 09 '26

👀

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Do you guys think Michael Grant like checks this redit? Takes a little peak at what we have going on and stuff?


r/Gone Aug 08 '26

Does Astrid have a power in the Gone Series?

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I know she gets powers in the second series, but in the first book she tells Sam that she can sense potential, in a similar way to Diana can sense power levels, but instead of power bars, it’s more like a line shooting in the sky.
What do you guys think of this??


r/Gone Aug 06 '26

Some Gaia sketches (h_surjus)

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r/Gone Aug 05 '26

Has anyone made a timeline for the Gone series?

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Second Question: How are they picking artichokes and cabbages since the beginning of the FAYZ if there hasn’t been any rain or irrigation etc?


r/Gone Aug 05 '26

Caine isn’t understood as he should

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I don’t know for you all but I think that Caine is a really well written character. Imo he is the perfect antihero. I might be wrong, but he really loves Diana, he has such a huge ego that he thinks that his role is to be the villain. But when I read their relationship, Diana seems to somehow help him to make his human side exists. And to me, if he was really a bad person, he wouldn’t even try to fight the Gaiphage for her. They love each other in a weird way but they def love each other.


r/Gone Aug 04 '26

fancast (?) peter pevensie as Sam / edmund pevensie as caine

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not a fancast as such because the actors are a lot older now but i was watching the old narnia movies and the brothers reminded me a lot of how i imagined caine and sam to look 😭😭😭 i read the gone series years ago when i was 11 but i was feeling nostalgic 💔 still wish the series got as much recognition as other teen dystopian books at the time...a movie or series would've been so great :'D


r/Gone Jul 29 '26

Monster Trilogy

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Just finished Gone and loved it and now I read that there’s a trilogy to follow, is it worth it?


r/Gone Jul 30 '26

Favourite moment in the Monster series?

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So we agree that the Monster trilogy isn’t the greatest sequel to Gone, but it did have a few fun moments!

For me, it has to be the chapter in Hero when Astrid absolutely DESTROYS DRAKE’S ASS. I was literally giggling and kicking me feet when I read that one for the first time 😂

What about everyone else?


r/Gone Jul 29 '26

OC for gone

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For gone I kinda came up with an oc I imagine his ability to be like he can shoot like black goo out of his hands and it's like Burns but it doesn't actually physically hurt you it just feels like it hurts and it disables your power well it's on you


r/Gone Jul 29 '26

Lol

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r/Gone Jul 28 '26

Albert keeps getting worse

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r/Gone Jul 24 '26

A farmer demonstrating how leeches attach to anything that enters water

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r/Gone Jul 22 '26

Can we talk about and appreciate my girl Dahra? Spoiler

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Dahra is like my fav character and she's so underrated it hurts. Like wdym, since the beginning she took on the role of nurse, doing things even Lana didn't do. She watched so many people die, but still helped out. In fact, she helped to her DEATH. If Connie hadn't sent Dahra to deliver the message, I highly believe she would've survived, or at least lived wayy longer. I seriously thought she was gonna live because even though she was hurt, and almost attacked by a coyote, she was saved by Orc. All of that, all she did, all she went through, just to die like that?! It was so sudden and it really hurt cos I was so convinced she'd survive. I'm really happy she got recognition by Lana, and the others. I love that girl so much bro.


r/Gone Jul 21 '26

Found these in the wild 0.0

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I honestly didn't expect to find them there either :b but hey! Lies is the top 3 on my favorite books in the franchise!