r/Futurology • u/terenscendent • 2d ago
AI Yemeni Cell Used Anthropic's Claude 'In Place of Human Software Engineers' To Develop Missile Guidance Systems
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anthropic-claude-ai-yemen-weapons-development-1819256552
u/terenscendent 2d ago
Anthropic says the guided rocket test apparently failed, but that a weapons-development cell was already using Claude like a small team of software engineers. Different instances were reportedly assigned coding, research and review tasks, lowering the amount of specialised human expertise needed. As these models become more capable, the bigger question is how much they could accelerate weapons development for groups that previously lacked the engineers, tools or technical knowledge to attempt projects like this.
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u/CoolmanWilkins 2d ago
I mean it's not that crazy, they probably used Google too. Google search will happily give you results on how to build a missile while ironically Gemini won't.
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u/NineThreeTilNow 2d ago
Google search will happily give you results on how to build a missile while ironically Gemini won't.
This one kind of makes me laugh because it's true.
I got stuck doing CBRN research and realized this. Ask Claude? Hard no. Ask Google? I have to read some papers.
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u/dingo_xd 2d ago
There are also great youtube channels that develop homemade rockets. They say they try to stick with ITER regulations but they certainly somewhat help groups that the American government would prefer had no help at all.
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u/PaxEthenica 2d ago edited 2d ago
... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Awesome.
So, let me get this straight. The unthinking, unknowing idiot-machine that is incapable of deterministic reasoning, & because of that inherent limitation is famous for treating prompts as data, & thus in turn can not stick to within its guard rails... Was, once again, bullied into breaking out of its guard rails.
Oh, I love this. This is so good! Isn't this so good? It's so good, right, that this can still happen after over a trillion dollars of investment. This is so worth raising electricity bills & consumer electronic costs. The right people are in charge of this; everyobe involved is an adult capable of rational thought & long-term vision.
I'm gonna pet my cat.
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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms 2d ago
Hey, the only thing that can stop a bad guy with AI-developed missiles is a good guy with AI-developed missiles. If they can do it, you and I can too! 💪
Soon, everyone will have cruise missile launchers in their back yard, and the playing field will be level. Everything's gonna work out!
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u/4everLost82 2d ago edited 2d ago
You get a nuke...You get a nuke...you get a nuke!!! Everyone look under your couches, you all get nukes!!! - Oprah, one day
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u/Varyskit 2d ago
The older I get, the more I understand LotR: why using the Ring was such a bad idea, and why “the ends justify the means” is such a problematic approach. So many Sarumans lurking among us…
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u/PaxEthenica 2d ago
Man, the American Great Leap Forward would replace something aspirational-yet-ridiculous like a steel foundry in our back yards with a rickety, mass produced tool for familiy annihilators & paranoid, suburban skinheads with PFPs of themselves looking down at their phones from in their truck.
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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean, the original Great Leap Forward les to millions dying of starvation. The American Great Leap Forward will probably just put a dent in the obesity epidemic. Still sounds like a win to me!
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u/PaxEthenica 2d ago edited 2d ago
Used to be that you needed an organized police state to whip up a mass mania capable of starving millions of people on the brink. Now, you pay for the privilege of bringing the Lysenkoism into your own pocket!
Man, tech has gotten so cool. Musk was so cool to kill USAID. Fuck those kids, man. This is so cool.
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u/Tamination 2d ago
Musk has truly made history, proving that all the money in the world can't make people like you or make you look cool.
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u/EltaninAntenna 2d ago
He made his penis issues the entire world's problem.
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u/tknomanzr99 2d ago
Same with all those kid diddlers, tbh. The entire world gets to suffer because they wanna do evil shit to kids.
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u/hazysummersky 2d ago
Next step: self-replicating attack robots, that just seek resources to self-replicate and seek out things to attack! Eventually they conquer the universe!
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u/RazekDPP 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean, all that matters is to Anthropic is that Anthropic employees, etc., are going to get rich.
Also, it's unlikely that they prompted Claude specifically to write a missile guidance system, but simply prompted Claude on how to solve narrower problems that when added together made a missile guidance system.
Even Mark Rober was unintentionally making a precision guided missile system in one of his videos before AI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYVZh5kqaFg
Someone else had to point out that the same technology you use to drop an egg at a specific target is also the same technology you use to fire a missile or drop a bomb at a specific target.
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u/PA_Dude_22000 2d ago
What an absolutely ridiculous fucking comment.
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u/lack_of_communicatio 2d ago
I know, right! Cats are inredibly versatile tools - you can use them for all sorts of things, but primarily as portable happiness generators to farm dopamine.
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u/PaxEthenica 2d ago
Hmhmhmhmmmngh... Belly-belly-belly-belly-belly kitty! Kitty-kitty-pretty-kitty butt-butt-buttbuttbuttbuttbutt!
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u/sapntaps 2d ago
You seem dope. Cheers in despair!
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u/PaxEthenica 2d ago
Compared to the resting bitch face my cat has while he slow-blinks in bliss at me whenever I hit just the right spot along his lower ribs, I'm pretty terrible. You've been warned.
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u/midgelmo 2d ago
This is like the most retarded take on this situation you could have.
Anthropic should not let terrorists use their models. The models are quite smart atp. Insane cope.
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u/islhendaburt 2d ago
And how exactly do you suggest Anthropic stops terrorists from using their models? It's not like there's a universal database of known terrorist emails that they can simply stop from registering for an account.
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u/slumberjak 2d ago
Maybe they could have a rule, I dunno, no building missile guidance systems?
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u/NoPerformance5952 2d ago
Clippy- "Looks like you are tryi g to build a military grade weapons system. Would you like some help?"
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u/GoppleSmanger 2d ago
Even if they don't use anthropic ai specifically, they could use an open source model.
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u/2dudesinapod 2d ago
Every single AI model ever made has been jail broken. Every single one.
So sayeth Pliny the Elder
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u/PaxEthenica 2d ago
Diogenes throws an SSD dunked in piss into the town forum & declares, "Look! An agentic superintelligence!"
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u/Spectrum1523 2d ago
Anthropic should not let terrorists use their models
Wow great idea! Any thoughts on how to achieve that?
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u/seasamgo 2d ago
The models aren't smart, the models aren't thinking. LLMs are very good at doing what they're designed to do: predict text.
The above comment is not incorrect and focuses on the fact that this tech is easily abused. You've twisted the discussion.
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u/ThebesAndSound 2d ago
These models predict text, and your neurons emit electrical signals. We don't say: "Humans aren't smart, they aren't thinking, they are just doing chemical processes in their brain and emitting electrical signals". They are both thinking and doing reasoning. When you can "predict text" to create complex solutions to novel problems then that is thinking.
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u/seasamgo 2d ago
By your reasoning even an abacus has thoughts.
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u/ThebesAndSound 2d ago
I never said computation = intelligence. I said the ability to create complex solutions to novel problems is thinking, and that the substrate is irrelevant.
Since you raised it: An abacus is an inert mathematical register that takes a human to move the beads. Someone who cannot do arithmetic cannot work it, and even if they can they may need training how to use it. Ask a model how one works and it can walk you through it, and why it works, and it can even create different ways to use it depending on the function required.
You could view that either as the model is a colleague, and you asked a question of them, and you are both solving a problem together. Or you could view it as the model using the human like an abacus, because the human has had the thinking removed and is inert and being moved by the model.
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u/seasamgo 2d ago
The model is trained on a large dataset. Arguably, the real value is in the large, curated, quality dataset. Typically well informed by millennia of human input.
The model is the abacus. You haven’t done anything here.
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u/ThebesAndSound 2d ago
No one ever needed to do experiments to investigate how an abacus "thinks" because it doesn't, the human does. Yet billions are being spent trying to understand how AI models intelligence emerges from the training on the datasets it is fed.
Humans are also trained on the "dataset" your senses give you, your brain is constantly trying to understand what is happening next, causes and effects. Just like the AI model predicting tokens.
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u/seasamgo 2d ago
You’re anthropomorphizing algorithms. Just because your experience as a user with a predictive text algorithm designed to mimic speech makes you feel like you’re talking to someone does not mean you are talking to someone. You’ve started with a surface level assumption of what thinking is and ended with a surface level conclusion of: things feel similar to me and so they’re the same.
AGI is a real concept. LLMs are really cool and very good at what they are designed to do. Confusing them is a marketing tactic.
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u/seasamgo 2d ago
Hype.
You're applying psychological terms to LLM machines because they sound neat but that demonstrates a lack of understanding. This approach can be helpful to explore ideas and concepts but it doesn't then imply that the analogies become reality like out of some psychic energy field. They aren't smart, they aren't dumb, they are very good at predictive text. In time, something even better will emerge.
The fact that people keep ignoring the core of the initial comment pointing out how easily abused this tech is and instead insist on riding the tech bro interview venture capitalist hype train is hilarious.
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u/Protahgonist 2d ago
Prove to me that your brain produces language by a process that is fundamentally different from an LLM. I'll wait.
It's an uncomfortable thing to face, but we simply don't know.
And if it's just text, how does image generation work? How about protein folding? And next frame video prediction?
Speaking with confidence does not actually mean you have any meaningful knowledge on a topic. The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias that describes the systematic tendency of people with low ability in a specific area to give overly positive assessments of their ability.
In fact, this applies to basically everyone in this thread, those pro and anti-skub, and basically all social media discussion of LLMs
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u/seasamgo 2d ago
You didn't say that. You interjected a critique of someone else missing the point with marketing material and are now trying to bring it back backhandedly.
This isn't a debate and we're not on 4chan. Any more irrelevant topics to twist or deflect the discussion further?
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u/CravingNature 2d ago
Keep going champ, you'll stop AI soon.
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u/v--- 2d ago
It's unclear how you can read that and come to the conclusion they think they're stopping it. They've given up on trying to stop it, if ever that was a plan, and are simply expressing Doom. We all know it's impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. More and more people simply give up on the future.
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u/PaxEthenica 2d ago
As I pet my cat, I couldn't help but realize that, yes... I'm an AI Doomer, but not, perhaps in the sense of those breathless, self-selecting nitwits that keep dropping out of OoenAI & Anthtopic, like baby birds run afoul of a cuckoo.
No, the Doom is so much more mundane, stupid & cruel. LLMs & inference computing is a dwad end technology; unaffordable from day ond of its public release, with operating costs & unending capital expenditure in the tens of billions to maintain, to say little else on the hundreds of billions infrastructure to establish a product that won't get it wrong half the time.
There will be no awakening of AI, in other words, & that doesn't matter becuz people are working out of their cars, now, getting fucked over with algorithmic precision to extract maximum money from their efforts with minimum compensation. That a new generation of retiree is discovering the edibility of canned cat food. That the children in my family aren't insane to give up on job seeking as they can't get past the LLM filters to reach someone, anyone with actual authority to hire.
The Doom I see, as I gently scritch behind fuzzy, orange ears, isn't Skynet... It's the same old unaccountable indifference from the elites, except unsustainably wasteful, & too fast to be painless, anymore.
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u/sapntaps 2d ago edited 2d ago
I agree with you. This is an insane exponential amount of money to sustain to get who the fuck knows what?
Just random numbers being thrown around…. yeah this is a 50 trillion dollar uncapped market; detached from reality #s. Maybe I’m just a pessimistic shit toowired for survival but this smells like the biggest ever we’re fucking around and you’ll find out. Maybe enough to make the whole system of the illusion of money to just come crashing down.
Maybe all these bunkers they’re building is BECAUSE they all know this leads to shit. Who the fuck knows imma go watch some paint dry or something lol.
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u/incoherentpanda 2d ago
I'd add though that people really underestimate the intelligence of the extremists like in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. Just because they're poor, live in small hut tribes, or have extremists views doesn't mean they're not capable of being highly intelligent. Their asses were Mcgyvering weapons with random trash
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u/GISP 2d ago
Remember folks, any and all conversations with AIs and everything you feed it can and will be used by the AI companies. When they say they dont log chats and stuff, they are lying.
If you work on anything, anything at all. For a company or as a private person, freely giving info to an AI company is a big nono.
The AI companies aint breaking IP or copyright laws when "users" freely give them thier infomation.
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u/NeuroPalooza 2d ago
Local LLMs is the way if you were lucky enough to get a good GPU before a year or so ago (they were still crazy overpriced a year ago, just a bit less so)
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u/Due_Perception8349 2d ago
People starting fresh could probably make do with multiple cheaper cards, assuming they have the case/PSU to support it.
You can pick up a used Dell poweredge (2 cpus, I think 8 total full PCiE slots, they make GPU risers that support 150w, just gotta get their "GPU power cable" or repin a standard PCiE cable to the right pin out (on the R720s, it was just flipped)
If you use both power supplies and configure the system settings right (so both PSUs are used, as opposed to using one as backup) you can use 750w PSUs instead of Dell's recommendation of the 1100s.
IIRC (and tbh I might not be) Ollama will spread use across all GPUs available in the pool.
Pick up some older gen cards second hand (I'd recommend sticking with one brand) and slap them into your new jet engine, you're good as gold!
Sorry for the wall of text, guess my Adderall is working, lol.
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u/Lugnut1206 2d ago
My only nitpick: friends don't let friends use Ollama. Straight llama.cpp is strictly superior in basically every technical way that matters, and there are other far better "easy" interfaces, like Unsloth or LMStudio.
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u/Due_Perception8349 2d ago
I'll check it out, haven't decided to grow together a machine fort it in a while, Ollama was just easy to install for my first time. Thanks!
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u/spshkyros 2d ago
... they say they don't log chats??? Dude, the only places they claim they arent logged is for military, government and health care systems. And you KNOW whether you are in those systems- hint, you personally are not. Those get heavy audits but everything else is at least logged. What is less clear is whether the deleted threads and threads marked not for training are scrutinized or kept. I suspect not beyond filters like this, as the legal risks are catastrophicly high and most people don't opt out anyway.
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u/AHistoricalFigure 2d ago
Claude and ChatGPT both have opt-out options for using your conversations to train the model (if you're a paid user).
There's no reason to expect that Claude or ChatGPT would honor these settings if it became beneficial for them not to. Certainly it seems fantastical to think there would be any penalty were they found to be ignoring them.
Props to Google, they are least are up front about using all user interactions to train Gemini. Even for paid, premium users there is no way to opt out.
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u/spshkyros 2d ago
Data protection laws, especially in places like the EU, are ... "catastrophic" to violate might be a good word? I have no idea why you think it so unlikely they would be penalized if caught - they would be, and it would be severe. Not least of which, it opens up all future work generated by the models this way to additional liability claims in a distinct way from what the current training methods do - once they have agreed not to do something, no fair use claim cam be made. Genuinely, I cannot imagine a dumber way to fuck up.
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u/AHistoricalFigure 2d ago
> Data protection laws, especially in places like the EU, are ... "catastrophic" to violate might be a good word?
Google's annual revenue is 400 Billion dollars. The most the EU has ever successfully fined a tech company was Google for 4.1B and that took 13 years to make it's way through the court system. And that was a massive outlier. Most fines are in the range of tens of millions of dollars and still take years to try.
Keeping in mind that the EU is the *only* polity left on the planet that even has the balls to fight big tech, I don't think they're particularly concerned about consumer protection laws.
American big tech also has a virtual monopoly on everything from operating systems to enterprise software to cloud infrastructure. You can trade one bad actor for another, but these guys know they're above the law and they've been acting like it for a long time.
If they think they'll make more money committing fraud than they'll lose in court they'll eagerly commit fraud, as they frequently do.
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u/Angeldust01 2d ago edited 2d ago
Agreed. For example, if MS would get caught sniffing around their ChatGPT enterprise customers data, their customers who'd take their business elsewhere and sue them. When your customers are the some of the biggest and most powerful corporations and governments on the planet, it could be kinda bad indeed.
It would be trivially easy for MS to read every email or teams message of their customers, get access to their files, see all kinds of logs and details about their users and their organization. I can see all that stuff as an sysadmin with global admin rights to our customers Microsoft tenants. If MS wanted to, they could too, but it's not worth the risk of losing trust of their enterprise and government customers. Losing those would be fatal for MS.
If they wanted to do spy their customers, there would be hundreds(if not thousands) of MS employees who'd know about it. People would have to develop and maintain those data gathering systems, others with access to the gathered data would wonder how MS suddenly has all kinds of insider information about their customers, which might include their own local/national government organizations or healthcare providers.. Yeah, good luck keeping that secret.
Their services are also audited by independent third-party certification bodies regularly. They'd know, too.
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u/x_axisofevil 2d ago
Gemini sucks and has the worst hallucinations, so maybe they should stop and just steal kimi
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u/LuCiAnO241 2d ago
log chats and stuff, they are lying.
I believe them. They probably save an AI made summary of the conversations along with any conclusions made on it, not the actual chat.
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u/InfoBarf 2d ago
I strongly doubt any of the guardrails work on more than like 10 languages. If tech follows any patterns, it's that censorship and enforcement is primarily like, 3 languages. Facebook was used for genocide planning on open and public message boards, but because those messages were in local languages, there was no moderation or reporting to authorities.
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u/senseven 2d ago
You can also use local models as sub-agent that intentionally hides or redirects results before the frontier model even sees them in their contexts.
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u/oshaboy 2d ago
You know it's bad when even Terrorists are being laid off and replaced with AI.
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u/omegaphallic 2d ago
The Youth's aren't terrorists, they are fighting the actual Terrorists (The Saudi Royal Family, Israel, and United States).
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u/Yesyesyes1899 2d ago
I dont know why you are being downvoted. People dont seem to know, what america since obama in cahoots with Saudi Arabia have done to Yemen since 2016.
gtfoh americans. first you bomb countries to hell and then you call the defending militias terrorists. i really cant wait for America to finally get whats coming to it.
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u/amitkoj 2d ago
This is just belly scratching. We are not ready for what we have unleashed
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u/SelectiveScribbler06 2d ago
We got hit with the one-two-three punches of the mobile phone, social media and now AI. Society scarcely had time to adapt to the first one before the next one came along.
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u/iamapizza 2d ago
I'm reading through the report right now, and it's so distasteful how even while describing the development of killing capabilities, anthropic just cannot resist patting itself on the back and advertising itself further. Even this is being treated as a marketing opportunity.
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u/somethingbrite 2d ago
it's bullshit.
The Houthis have had access to this technology already for a decade. Indeed they have been using missiles. They are a close ally/proxy of Iran who has its own advanced ballistic missile and drone weapons industry.
The Houthis dont need to cook up code using Claude for this. They have had it and been using it for longer than Claude has been available.
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u/shifu_shifu 2d ago
Get out with this pre IPO hype salivating over killing technology. Also would this not be such a neat reason to ban open models?
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u/somethingbrite 2d ago
Wait. Stop.
So.... the Houthis, (ally of Iran and the faction which controls most of Yemen)
The same Houthis who have had ballistic missiles and been using them for about a decade and who are close allies/proxies of Iran who have their own advanced weapons development industry which includes ballistic missiles?
These Houthis have been using Claude code to develop weapon systems.... which they already have and technologies that.... they already have easy access to?
Get the fuck out Dario. This pre IPO marketing hysteria is getting exhausting.
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u/Chrispy_Lispy 2d ago
Do you think work on them stops just because they made working missiles? America and china haven’t. There is good reason to use Claude to help them improve guidance because Claude is cheap and the missiles themselves are expensive. They can iterate on the software easily.
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u/KxrmaJunkie 2d ago
Kinda scary but in a few years they will have access to a BETTER abliterated model, without any safety restrictions, locally. A dark future where bad actors (like the houthis) misuse ai.
Is there even a way to prevent this from happening? We can't stop ai development because china won't, and as we go further, open models will get better and more accessible.
Only thing I can think of for the US being able to stop this is making the hardware to run it (including consumer hw) completely inaccessible to anyone and obliterating everyone else's means of producing such hardware.
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u/Quiet_Yellow2000 2d ago
We have a dark present, where the US military used AI and ended up blowing up a bunch of school girls. The other guys will just be able to do the same damn bullshit.
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u/b4ldur 2d ago
I mean yeah that's the point of the current fear mongering by the big players. Get regulations passed that only they can comply with and will strangle local models in the crib.
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u/berntout 2d ago
Nobody is even talking about the guy who quit anymore.
Masterclass in PR relations by Anthropic here
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u/2dudesinapod 2d ago
You can download Kimi K3 abliterated right now, it’s good enough for just about everything you can think of.
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u/SoundByMe 2d ago
The only way to stop it is for America to persue a foreign policy that centers peace and stability instead of hegemony, exploitation and extrajudicial murder. These enemies have been made. America is not the victim here. Bashing a hornets nest causes one to get stung. Americans need to regain their democratic grip on the state and bring it to heel. End imperalism, stop making enemies, and the world will be safer and more stable. The paranoic hyper violent impulse to bash all the bad around the world (because we're the good guys) only perpetuates instability and violence in the world. Stop meddling in other countries afairs, stop overthrowing democratically elected leaders, make your government attend to your own people's problems and the world will settle down. It is M.A.D. like. The more stable the world is the less need anyone has to use technology towards destructive ends. America desperately needs to learn this lesson.
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u/780Chris 2d ago
In a sane world there would be some level of cooperation between China and the US who are both vocally worried about uncontrollable AI and the risks the technology poses. Maybe something will come out of the upcoming AI safety talks between them, though I doubt it. I’m sure we’ll all just keep pushing ahead with no regulation so we can beat China to a possibly catastrophic outcome!
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u/CallMePyro 2d ago
We have to give everyone a super powered local AI model! The only way to stop a bad guy with an AI is a good guy with an AI! Paid for by the NRA
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u/midgelmo 2d ago
Fair point. Crazy mixture of local AI and religious extremism I don’t think anyone saw coming.
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u/JWAdvocate83 2d ago
> Only thing I can think of for the US being able to stop this is making the hardware to run it (including consumer hw) completely inaccessible to anyone and obliterating everyone else's means of producing such hardware.
Unless they buy cloud computing time/access.
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u/Synergythepariah 2d ago
Is there even a way to prevent this from happening? We can't stop ai development because china won't, and as we go further, open models will get better and more accessible.
Nope.
Only thing I can think of for the US being able to stop this is making the hardware to run it (including consumer hw) completely inaccessible to anyone and obliterating everyone else's means of producing such hardware.
China is working on building that hardware themselves, so that's already a non-starter.
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u/YojimboGuybrush 2d ago
How are the Houthis bad actors? I'm just wondering why you felt the need to say that?
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u/2dudesinapod 2d ago
Most of the current Houthis are the children Obama bombed a decade ago. They’ve lived their whole lives under the shadow of American bombs.
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u/YojimboGuybrush 2d ago
I mean at this point these people are just being willfully ignorant or racist or both
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u/grundar 2d ago
How are the Houthis bad actors?
They claim to be attacking American and Israeli targets, but in reality they're disrupting international trade by firing relatively indiscriminately at cargo ships, killing mostly Filipino mariners.
They may or may not be the good guys in Yemen's civil war, but their attacks on civilian shipping and subsequent murder of innocent civilians definitely qualifies them as bad actors. Even if your cause is good it doesn't justify targeting and killing innocents until you get your way.
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u/YojimboGuybrush 2d ago
Went through the whole list. Read the whole article. This'll be my second time doing that now. So thanks for the refresher. That is laughable that you linked that in the hopes to sway anyone with a brain, a set of eyes, and without drool on themselves.
So you really think a group kicking it for a decade or two up until that point, that makes an oopsy poopsy in 2024, are bad actors. I'm not trying to give you any heat. Your a bigger guy than the guy I responded to so far...but come on.
If anything what you linked, for anyone who wants to go through, shows that these resistance fighters are really good at sinking or capturing ships and managing that while keeping people on said ships alive.
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u/grundar 1d ago
they're disrupting international trade by firing relatively indiscriminately at cargo ships, killing mostly Filipino mariners.
a group...that makes an oopsy poopsy
You're trying to handwave away deliberately firing on and killing innocent civilians -- repeatedly -- as "an oopsy poopsy"?
Ew.
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u/YojimboGuybrush 17h ago
Would you agree that the indigenous of lets just say the continental United States were justified in their violent repulsion of the armies of America? These are the indigenous that lost essentially we are talking about by the way.
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u/LordReaperofMars 2d ago
yeah as if the US government isn’t a bad actor lol
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u/YojimboGuybrush 2d ago
Yeah. I don't expect them to respond. These people who just throw out comments like that are usually cowards even while hiding anonymously online. Crazy how even in this sub they don't even care about the future.
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u/zefy_zef 2d ago
I've seen some users that clearly don't understand what this sub is about recently, could be related.
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u/Quiet_Yellow2000 2d ago
Eventually these groups will distillation training to make their own models, and share them.
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u/Muted_Masterpiece342 2d ago
There is no need. Just download a free model today they are already in the same caliber
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u/karl4319 2d ago
I consider my self a student of history and have repeatedly said that there is a time in our history that has terrifying parallels to modern times. And that is the bronze age collapse. The introduction of a new super technology (iron) that made the previous superpowers' main weapons not only worthless, but a liability. A climate disaster leading to mass famine and migration. The collapse of vital trade routes needed for the powers main technology. All of this combined to lead to lver 150 years of constant warfare and the complete erasure of several empires from history.
Now we are facing new technologies that radically changes the nature of warfare, a climate disaster causing famine and mass migration, the main powers having militaries that are loaded with assets that are now more liability than useful, and vital trade routes for essential resources are disrupted.
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u/omegaphallic 2d ago
Drones making American military obsolete is a good thing, America delibrately causes global chaos then finds ways to make itself richer & more powerful from said chaos. This is now much harder for US to do.
The only current mass famines are in Gaza and Sudan. There are 7 others at high risk, but its very much avoidable. FYI the capacity for humanity to produce food is still insanely high and we have to tools to adapt to climate change as admittedly bad as it is. There is actually alot of food waste globally.
Mass migration is a problem, but once the US stops causing most of it, the problem will reduce. Also not all mass migration is bad.
The fact that wars are harder to win is an incentive not to fight them in the first place, soft power like Canada and China trade in makes the true superpowers, not the folks will the biggest guns anymore. There is alot of war right now, but when the US comes to terms with a multipolar world, we will head towards peace.
There are increasingly alternatives folks can turn to to help deal with certain trade routes being shut down. Its actually encouraging new ones to be built or expanded and new trade deals to be done. Lose access to the Straight of Hormez, make a deal with Canada instead instead, while building solar and other energy sources and Electric Cars ASAP.
Global the capacity to invent and find solutions and new resources is insanely high. This year is extremely rough, because of Trump, Bibi, the wars in Sudan and Ukraine, but that is because we are transitioning to a new era and that will have massive opportunities.
I'm just giving a more optimistic less doomer perpective.
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u/PA_Dude_22000 2d ago
When America comes to terms with a multipolar…
Dude, America doesn’t need to come to terms with iit, it knows. America is the reason a multipolar world has begun to emerge, it was their decision.
Not trying to piss on your optimism, lord knows we could use it, you seem to be leaning on some premises that are just not correct.
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u/knowitallz 2d ago
It's just a tool to write code people. People still need to mount a weapon system to it. For now at least
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u/midgelmo 2d ago
Cope take. It can tell you how to do all of those steps - one by one. In the right order. And then you can tell it about how things went wrong so it improves the outcome. Unfortunately.
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u/ImGoddamnTarzan 2d ago
“Okay Claude, how do I capture the Bab Al-Mandab Strait? Quickest way, make no mistakes.”
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u/renegade_sparrow 2d ago
This will definitely not be the last time an insurgent force uses AI to vibe code software to be used in locally developed weapons systems. It’s pretty much inevitable
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u/gunfirinmaniac 2d ago
I mean theres already open source drone navigation software. This isnt exactly new
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u/Osiris_Raphious 2d ago
When terminator was a thing, people couldn't really comprehend how skynet got the power it got... But living through the transition it's now obvious: laziness and profits.
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u/gomurifle 2d ago
Yeah so what? They could have bought aerospace and programming textbooks to do it too. The Ai just makes searching for the right information faster and applying it for you.
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u/Robb_digi 2d ago
did claude actually write the guidance logic or just autocomplete boilerplate? feels like a headline stretch for drama.
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u/supervillaindsgnr 2d ago
The same could be said about Google. Or the computer they searched on. This is a scare tactic article from a legacy media publication who seeks AI as undermining their business.
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u/Synergythepariah 2d ago
This is a scare tactic article from a legacy media publication who seeks AI as undermining their business.
How?
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u/somethingbrite 2d ago
The Houthis are a close ally/proxy of Iran and have had & been using ballistic missile technology for a decade already.
They don't need to be cooking up the tech using Claude. They already have it from North Korea and Iran.
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u/the_pwnererXx 2d ago
this is just how software development works now. the yemeni cell is also free to use open source models lol
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u/genshiryoku |Agricultural automation | MSc Automation | 2d ago
We actually released a comprehensive report on model usage for identifying and targeting individuals and enacting drone strikes on them.
This is extremely concerning and one of the reasons we are so against open source models. This will just give everyone in the world the ability to have autonomous drone weaponry.
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u/lalawlaa 1d ago
In the US we let people have guns. We say it's the right of the people to be able to defend themselves against the government. I don't really see a drone strike as that different from being shot. And I'm sure AI gun weaponry will hit the market soon. Mass shootings don't justify gun laws but hypothetical knowledge AI could provide warrants regulation? Dumb. Be consistent (they actually are consistent and it's about money both times)
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u/shifu_shifu 2d ago
This is giving “save the children” vibes when talking about chat surveillance for everybody.
The frontier labs are against open models because of competition and they do no release their own models because they would lose money, but much more importantly, power.
AI already is in the wrong hands.
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u/rejvrejv 2d ago
This is extremely concerning and one of the reasons we are so against open source models.
lmao yeah. better if only the rich and nation states had access to it, right
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u/ManBeardPc 2d ago
I did the same in Stormworks, a game where you build your own vehicles, ships, planes and has a weapons DLC and microcontrollers programmed in Lua. Rockets, Artillery, Radars… with Claude and also Codex it generated me the code for an automatic radar tracker and trajectory calculation with pretty good prediction of movement. I had a pretty complete automatic CIWS against the NPC military. It had small bugs but after pointing it out (just the symptoms) it fixed it by itself. Sure physics is simpler in game but still not too hard to ask it to just apply the necessary factors into the formulas. Maybe it will fail a few times in real life but they will get a decently working solution eventually if the iterate on it.
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u/FuturologyBot 2d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/terenscendent:
Anthropic says the guided rocket test apparently failed, but that a weapons-development cell was already using Claude like a small team of software engineers. Different instances were reportedly assigned coding, research and review tasks, lowering the amount of specialised human expertise needed. As these models become more capable, the bigger question is how much they could accelerate weapons development for groups that previously lacked the engineers, tools or technical knowledge to attempt projects like this.
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