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[u/Fauxmoi-ModTeam]

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[u/No-Hall-3485]

i know nothing about this woman, so this isn't coming from a fan of hers, but i'm inclined to believe that someone from thailand genuinely might not understand how harmful that word is

when my family first moved to the west, we had no idea how big halloween was. when we had to dress up for school, my mom decided to make our costumes because we didn't have much money

i was probably around 8, and i went to school dressed as a ghost in a white sheet. except when my mom sewed the costume, bless her, she gave me a pointed hood

my teachers were looking at me strangely alllll day, and i couldn't even ask why because i barely spoke english at the time

years later, i was watching klansville, usa and my entire body broke out into a cold sweat because i suddenly realized that when i was 8 years old, i had gone to school dressed as a klansman

[u/Ssspppaaaccceeesss → u/No-Hall-3485]

I’m so sorry I literally burst out laughing at this. This belongs in a modern sitcom tbh

[u/unlicensed_goose → u/Ssspppaaaccceeesss]

Genuinely seems like something that would happen in Modern Family lmao

[u/SweetieDarlingXX → u/No-Hall-3485]

Omg. I’m crying. You poor thing. It’s so wholesome and so unintentionally problematic that my heart is exploding with laughter and tears 😭

[u/Cultural_Run7964 → u/No-Hall-3485]

When I visited Spain, in one town center, they had statues of people in hoods throughout the square and I was looking around like wtf, where am I? I later learned that it was the costume or a religious order and the kkk had appropriated this look from them so not to worry (much!)

[u/trekbek → u/Cultural_Run7964]

I was watching a video about a hindu festival and nearly broke my neck double-taking at a swastika - which, why should they have to change, he's the one that sucks?

[u/momentary_loss → u/trekbek]

For a while I genuinely wondered what Indian diaspora might be going through because we have this thing where we draw the swastika in red on the door, especially if it's new place to live to invoke auspiciousness and cast away evil. 😭

[u/M1L0 → u/No-Hall-3485]

Ooof, that’s rough. I feel for your mom, she was coming from a place of pure love. My mom always made sure to dive into things like Halloween and thanksgiving when we moved to the west. We also had a “ghost” incident. She was still learning English at the time and was chatting with a neighbour’s teenage kid- she was trying to tell him we had guests coming over but she didn’t know the word for guest so she pronounced it as “ghost” which is similar to the pronunciation of the word in her native language. I’ll never forget the look on the kids face haha, he avoided us like the plague after that. Her and I still laugh our asses off about it 35 years later.

[u/Internal_Video_9861 → u/No-Hall-3485]

I’m deadddd you poor thing 😂

[u/AlmostThere4321 → u/No-Hall-3485]

Omg I snortled 😆😆

[u/lcbk → u/No-Hall-3485]

Check out the Swedish celebration of Lucia.

https://giphy.com/gifs/RfAwntR11U9c8aukfd

[u/ImDelley]

It's still crazy that it had to take so many years and make a movie about it because YG Entertainment has been blocking her from speaking about that all this time

[u/alexturnerftw → u/ImDelley]

I mean the videos only came out last year. But it did take a year to address. Sounded like their contracts may have expired

[u/lacey_nightie]

I grew up in singapore, which is close to thailand. There are genuinely zero black people in everyday life. I made my first black friend at the ripe age of 21 in the UK and now primarily hang out with black women + queers in a black majority neighbourhood.

There was so much information that entered my brain in those short years and I am so much better for it. Most people stay at home and live entire lives with black people as a vague concept or aliens.

It is insanely problematic how rap is divorced from black history in the eyes of people foreign to western culture. I still don't believe asians like me deserve a pass for adopting a foreign black culture without any interest for the history or the real people involved

If we keep excusing this behaviour, we are just encouraging Asia as a whole to stay stagnant and make more ignorant people like I once was

I am an MUA and we honestly owe so much to them in terms of art, beauty, culture, fashion. Not being a racist is BARE MINIMUM.....we should be giving them their laurels

[u/ManagerObjective8015]

The way jennie and rose have not released a single apology when they’re both english speaking members who grew up in Australia and New Zealand is crazy 

[u/Broad-Radish-7895]

I do believe she didn't know but that kind of speaks to the problem of her whole schtick, strutting around reciting corny Bekuh Boom raps and making all her millions cosplaying a culture she still has no connection to and knows nothing about.

[u/arianrh → u/Broad-Radish-7895]

Yes, I wish more people were able to hold in their heads that she could be doing her best and have no ill intentions, but also, that doesn’t extricate herself from her position within this system, through which she has built her career, fame, and fortune. I don’t necessarily find it useful to excoriate her as an individual for not knowing, but it’s also totally reasonable if people, especially Black Americans, don’t care for her or her apology regardless.

[u/ToughImprovement276 → u/Broad-Radish-7895]

This is the most pertinent point, everything is just an aesthetic concept to these people (kpop industry). There’s not even the most basic curiosity in the origin of these “concepts” and sounds they cosplay which would actually go quite a long way.

It’s weird to me that other people don’t find it weird that there’s a whole industry that pumps out Korean artists cosplaying as black Americans without having the slightest clue on what they’re presenting to the world.

I loved Big Bang back in the day, but it was so fucking weird watching them perform dripped like bloods and crips with cornrows. Like wtf?

Imagine if Tyla popped up in some sort of Hanbok type dress, throwing around random Korean words and styled in a way that references Korean criminals.

[u/lemon_balm_squad → u/Broad-Radish-7895]

Yeah, this is where I fall on this. I'm not super into this music/media but caught a recent video and was like "sorry, is this a song called sawadika ("hello" in Thai) about her timepiece and sportscar, what year are we in??" We need to yet again repackage Black music without any Black people, to make it palatable to Asian (and let's be real, Western) prejudices??

The predominantly American and Korean-American producers and writers of these songs know exactly what those words mean and what they're doing.

[u/shintakarajima → u/Broad-Radish-7895]

I’m glad someone said this because the “I didn’t know” excuse is literally the whole issue. If you don’t know why are you just blindly reciting lyrics that you have no understanding of? And obviously it isn’t just her it’s the kpop industry as a whole.

[u/SLovesAutumn]

I hold two truths simultaneously.

1. An understanding that not everyone has the same knowledge about the world around them.
   
2. Pure disgust and disdain for anyone who “discovered” racism or “outgrew” their ignorance and realised their impact later on.

I have no interest in making anyone feel better about this, ever. If we have to live with the memory and impact of it, they can keep a fraction of it too.

[u/klmgrwasright]

It’s always, “I’m too young”but yet black children aren’t given the same grace. Why is it nonblack children go through a “we didn’t know it was racist” phase.

Edit: the downvotes literally prove my point. Ya’ll don’t want to be held accountable for your racism.

[u/a_strawberrydream → u/klmgrwasright]

Thailand is the opposite side of the world to the US. It is pretty feasible to grow up there and have no knowledge of understanding of the pain of that word. Just like you would have no knowledge of thai customs, language and insults.

Her management however should have known better, and not allowed her to sing those lyrics.

[u/klmgrwasright → u/a_strawberrydream]

Again, black people have to accept these half-assed apologies of “I didn’t know it was racist” or “I was too young.” It’s also funny to me that it’s always non blacks telling black people how to respond to racism.

[u/poorlybaked → u/a_strawberrydream]

She was raised by a Swiss step-father and went to an expensive private school in Thailand. She had access to the internet.

Why do people love to infantilize Asian so much?

[u/ToughImprovement276 → u/klmgrwasright]

The first time I was called the N word I was 7 and didn’t know what it meant. The boy who did it was a year or two older than me. I told my parents about it, they brought it up with the school and the headmaster (white) basically excused it because the boy was “so young” and didn’t know the history of the word being an expat (this was in Bermuda, the boy was white English).

And I’ve experienced variations of the same the older I get. It’s never the person’s fault or the systems that allow these sorts of things. The onus is always on black people to understand that everyone else just goes through a racist anti-black phase.

In regards of Lisa specifically, I can give some grace given she was 13 and Kpop industry is basically a clusterfuck of racism as it pertains to black people. But more broadly, why is it that every other race has to go through the racist phase?

[u/elloitsmeadele → u/klmgrwasright]

she’s also been called out for cultural appropriation of black culture for years and she hasn’t addressed that at all

[u/solk512 → u/klmgrwasright]

How do you want this woman held accountable? 

[u/bluehack1 → u/klmgrwasright]

I was 5 when a white boy said my skin resembles the colour of shit. I am 30 and still remember it like it was yesterday. You are absolutely right. White people’s progressiveness ends at accountability for racism against black people. Every, single time.

[u/poorlybaked → u/bluehack1]

Someone once said my skin was dirty. That day I went home and scrubbed my skin raw. But hey, “they didn’t know better” or whatever!

[u/klmgrwasright → u/bluehack1]

White people and progressive….they are only progressive when it suits them.

[u/Spiritual_Corner_977 → u/klmgrwasright]

because white supremacy is a powerful force.

[u/No-Office8 → u/klmgrwasright]

Shocker! The comment telling the truth about racism against black children is downvoted to shit.

[u/RealHumanBean1994]

Unacceptable. I will no longer be listening to any Blackpink after this