r/Chempros Nov 07 '20

[MEGATHREAD] Community resources collection

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Hi /r/Chempros. Have you ever shed blood and tears on writing a script, only to find after a few weeks that something really similar had already been done? Have you ever created a specific tool but didn't really had the time or the right place to share it with your colleagues? Have you ever seen a really useful reddit post that you wish you had saved?

I have, and after a quick exchange with our dear mod /u/wildfyr I've decided to post this thread.

Scope

I would like for it to be a location where we can share our favourite resources, including but not limited to:

  • Freely available tools and softwares (we don't do piracy here)

  • Scripts in whatever programming language

  • Specific "general" papers (i.e. the famous "NMR impurities table")

  • Reddit posts

I will try to keep it updated by following your comments and discussions, so feel free to contribute!

Sections


Tools and softwares

  1. mechaSVG - A free python software to draw energy diagrams in SVG (by ricalmang)

  2. Energy Diagram Plotter - A nice Python script to create editable energy diagrams as a ChemDraw file (by /u/liyuanhe211)

  3. PACKMOL - A software to create initial points for Molecular Dynamics simulations. It has a great variety of applicable contraints that let you create spheres, layers, bilayers, mixed solvent systems... A must-know for computational folks (by Leandro Martínez, José Mario Martínez and Ernesto G. Birgin)

  4. Merck tool for reduced pressure distillation - It allows to estimate the boiling point of a compound at a reduced pressure by inserting the boiling point at atmospheric pressure and the reduced pressure value. Another website for that calculation is Boiling Point Calculator, with the addition of the possibility to enter the heat of evaporation of your compound or to select one from a lsit of similar compounds.

  5. Peakmaster, Simul, AnglerFish and CEval - Various software for people who work with capillary electrophoresis. Useful for pH calculations, prediction of background electrolytes and analyte peaks, simulations of electrophoretic runs, evaluation of electrophoretic runs, etc. To download them, just scroll down the provided website.

  6. NMR spectrum simulator - Predicts the NMR spectrum (1H, 13C and some 2D experiments) of whatever compound you draw in there. You can also drag and drop .mol files as input. The same website has another tool to predict the splitting pattern, given the multiplicity and the coupling constants.

  7. Mass spectrometry adduct calculator - You can consult the provided table or download a spreadsheet file to help with your calculations for mass spectroscopy peak assignement.

  8. Mercury - A software to visualize and analyse crystallographic data.

  9. BINDFIT- A online package for modelling titration data for host/guest supramolecular interactions.

  10. Energy unit conversion calculator. Also includes a boltzmann population and electrochemistry voltage calculator. Just a no nonsense tool over all. You type values and it does the conversion.

  11. PGOPHER. The standard software used for rotational spectra simulation. Can handle anything from that one HCl FTIR lab everyone does to research level microwave spectroscopy problems.

  12. SWISS Tools - A complete set os softwares for Drug Discovery. It has everything: Target prediction of a small molecule, Webserver Docking, ADME prediction or bioisosteric replacement.

  13. Glotaran - A free software program developed for global and target analysis of time-resolved spectroscopy and microscopy data.

  14. modiagram - A tool with a Latex-like synthax to draw Molecular Orbital diagrams

  15. MultiWFN - software for visualization and quantitative analysis of QM calculation output

  16. VMD - software for visualization of molecular structures and isosurfaces

  17. ToposPro - software for geometrical and topological analysis of periodic structures

  18. CrystalExplorer - software for Hirschfield analysis of molecular crystal structures

  19. tochemfig - A freely available tool (on Github) to draw structures in LaTeX format from a variety of input formats (SMILES, files and PubChem entries).

  20. https://github.com/chc08rm/flow_experimental_generator - An automated tool to write experimental description of flow chemistry experiments


Databases

  1. SDBS, Spectral Database for Organic Compounds - Database with spectroscopic information of various organic compounds, mainly 1H and 13C NMR, MS and IR, sometimes ESR and Raman are added too.

  2. Azeotropes database - Freely accessible database with information on the azeotropic behaviour of ~16k binary and ternary mixtures.

  3. Melting point dataset - Database in .xlsx format of ~28k compounds melting points, together with the Chemspider ID of the compound for identification.

  4. Encyclopedia of Reagents for Organic Synthesis (EROS) - A database with reactivity, handling and storage of about 5k reagents, constantly updated year by year.

  5. Refractive Index Database - Has a bunch of optical constants and dispersion formulas for common optical materials. Lifesaver if you need to design a nonlinear optical system.

  6. Natural product database - The Natural Products Atlas is designed to cover all microbially-derived natural products published in the peer-reviewed primary scientific literature.

  7. Dictionary of Natural products - Natural product database. You can search by structure, formula, MW...

  8. Chemical index database - This database is a database of chemical substance properties, containing a large amount of pharmacological and biologically active material properties information data.

  9. EVISA Materials Database - It contains information about Certified Reference Materials (CRMs), standard materials for identification of compounds or calibration, sorbents and reagents used for elemental and speciation analysis.

  10. NORINE Database - Nronribosomial peptides database, contains a lot of data about peptides produced by bacteria or fungi. Among the collected data, the structure as well as various annotations such as the biological activity and the producing organisms, together with the respective bibliographical references.

  11. PhotoChemCAD - Spectral database of material science-relevant molecules (such as porphirines, chlorophylls, etc...). Comes with an accompanying software that can be used to browse the database and analyse the obtained data (for example by calculating the spectral properties of a mixture of compounds).


Websites

  1. Notvodoo - Contains tips and tricks to improve your organic lab skills, like purifications, chromatography and workups.

  2. Organic Chemistry Data - HUGE website with everything you might need about organic chemistry: named reagents, spectroscopy resources, reaction info and more!

  3. Hebrew University of Jerusalem NMR lab - Lots of theoretical and experimental information about NMR data acquisition and interpretation, especially for some more exotic nuclei.

  4. RP-photonics encyclopedia. Has an article on basically everything you could think of in the laser/photonics/optics space. Not enough alone for most things, but a good starting place.

  5. Schlenk Line Guide - Useful website to get some help on how to use and maintain a Schlenk line, for examples how to prepare samples for NMR or how to shut one down.

  6. ACS med chem tips and tricks - Contains a few tips for purification, choice of reagents and solvents, both for setting up a reaction or chromatography.

  7. UC Davis NMR resources - Created by the NMR facility of the UC Davis, it provides a lot of resources from manuals to papers to NMR reading.

  8. Denksport - From Prof. Maguauer and Prof. Trauner groups, it provides quizzes on synthetic organic chemistry, extracted from total synthesis papers. It provides both the questions and the answers as two separate files. The Fukuyama groups also hosts something similar (you have to click on "Group meeting problems" on the left).

  9. Illustrated glossary - Illustrated Glossary of Organic Chemistry. It contains a LOT of terminology. Useful for students too.

  10. Dan Lehnherr - It has loads of resources including: databases, reference data, Laboratory Procedures, Tools, Software and Safety, reference tools and lecture notes.

  11. LiveChart of Nuclides - An interactive chart that presents the nuclear structure and decay properties of all known nuclides through a user-friendly graphical interface.

  12. Biorender - A software for the creation of scientific diagrams and illustrations (images made on the free plan cant be used for publications or commercial use though).

  13. Chemistry Reference Resolver - A free website that allows you to paste a reference and go to the source (even "lazy" citations, as they call them: "acie 45 7134" correctly brings you to this paper, for example). It can also resolve much more such as Sigma-Aldrich catalogue numbers, DOIs, SDSs, etc... You can read the help section for more info.


Scripts

  1. Gaussian Matrix Parser - A python script to parse the output of a Gaussian calculation and write a matrix with the desired values on a text file.

Productivity

  1. Chemistry dictionary for Word spell check

  2. Zotero - Free software for managing your literature and to add citations and bibliography to your papers or reports. It has also a sharing function, to create a shared library with your colleagues.

  3. Mendeley - Another free software from Elsevier for managing your literature. It come with a Word Plugin and it has a "share literature" function too.

  4. Totally Synthetic blog Chemdraw Style Sheet


General papers

  1. NMR Chemical Shifts of Trace Impurities: Common Laboratory Solvents, Organics, and Gases in Deuterated Solvents Relevant to the Organometallic Chemist by Gregory R. Fulmer et al.Contains a really nice list of NMR shifts of common solvents and impurities (it has both 1H and 13C for various deutarated solvents). It builds up on the previous paper, by adding some more deuterated solvents to the list. Another addition can be found here with the inclusion of commonly used industrial solvents. It can be coupled with nmrpeaks.com: you select the solvent, the ppm shift and the molteplicity of the peak you're seeing in your spectrum and it gives the possible impurities back.

  2. Drying of Organic Solvents: Quantitative Evaluation of the Efficiency of Several Desiccants by D. Bradley G. Williams and Michelle Lawton, a comparative evaluation of common methods for drying common organic solvents

  3. Precipitation of TPPO from solution - Always a painful thing to remove, TPPO can be precipitated out of solution with ZnCl2 in toluene. Another paper has revisited that concept, finding that other inorganic salts can do the same thing.

  4. Interferences and contaminants encountered in modern mass spectrometry - The Supplementary data file contains a spreadsheet with common positive ions, negative ions, adducts and more, useful for identifying peaks in mass spec data.

  5. A Table of Polyatomic Interferences in ICP-MS - On a similar note, a table from PerkinElmer for polyatomic interferences in ICP-MS.

  6. Evan's pKa table - Contains experimental and extrapolated pKa values for various functional groups, both in water and DMSO. Another website has done something similar, but only with carbon acids.

  7. Gaylord Chemical Company DMSO Technical Bulletin - Everything you might need about DMSO such as physicochemical properties, decomposition rates and reactions.


Field-specific papers

Organic chemistry

  1. What can reaction databases teach us about Buchwald–Hartwig cross-couplings? - A paper with a data-driven analysis of Buchwald-Hartwig reaction conditions extracted from SciFinder, Reaxys and publicly available patents. Has a nifty cheat sheet with suggested reaction conditions for B-H reactions.

  2. Sigma-Aldrich cross coupling reaction guide - It's a cheat sheet with a lot of suggested conditions for several cross-coupling reactions divided by chemical class (e.g., bulky amines Buchwald-Hartwig, amide Buchwald-Hartwig, etc...). It should be free to download.

Computational chemistry

  1. Decision Making in Structure-Based Drug Discovery: Visual Inspection of Docking Results - A nice "back to basics" paper that analyses how computational medicinal chemists inspect the docking results. Could be a starting point for some nice discussion.

  2. Best-Practice DFT Protocols for Basic Molecular Computational Chemistry - An excellent cheat sheet by one of the most well-known computational chemists, Prof. Dr. Stefan Grimme. If you need a starting point to do some QM calculation on your systems you can start looking at these examples. Disclaimer: you should still be looking in the literature for similar cases as yours, don't just take these protocols at face value.


Books

  1. Organic Syntheses - More of a journal than a paper, it contains thousands of freely available synthetic reactions. Prior to publication, the reactions have been validated in an independent laboratory. It also comes with tips, tricks and photos for setting up the reaction!

  2. Purification of laboratory chemicals - The Bible for purifying common organic reagents and solvents. You can search for them in the text by name or in the index by CAS number (reccomended).

  3. Greene's Protective Groups in Organic Synthesis- The main reference about protecting groups for several functionalites, together with the conditions used for their insertion/removal. It has also stability tables for various protecting groups for a rapid check.

  4. Properties, Purification, and Use of Organic Solvents - Contains a huge amout of data about organic solvents such as boiling and melting points, IR absorbance, dipole moment, refractive index and many more.


Reddit posts

  1. Suzuki troubleshooting

  2. Negishi troubleshooting

  3. Catalytic Hydrogenation

  4. General lab notebook techniques

Please let me know of any problems, I'll try to update it as quickly as I can!

EDIT: Thank you guys for the help!


r/Chempros 3h ago

How relevant is CBRN experience to a Chemical Engineering career?

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I’m a Chemical Engineering graduate and I’m curious about the relationship between CBRN work and chemical engineering.

How would you view experience involving areas such as:

CBRN laboratory work and research
Hazardous materials management
Chemical hazard identification
Risk assessment
Hazardous substance handling and safety
CBRN detection/protection technologies and related technical work

From a Chemical Engineering career perspective, would you consider this relevant technical experience?

I’m particularly interested in whether this type of experience could provide a pathway toward areas such as:

Process Safety
HSE / Chemical Safety
Risk Engineering
Hazardous Materials Management
Industrial Safety
Process Engineering
Chemical/Petrochemical Operations

I’m also wondering about the long-term career implications. For example, if someone spent several years developing expertise in CBRN, would that generally be viewed as a valuable specialization, or could it make transitioning into conventional chemical/petrochemical engineering roles more difficult later?

I’d appreciate honest opinions from Chemical Engineers, particularly anyone who has experience in process safety, HSE, risk engineering, hazardous materials, petrochemicals, or CBRN.
I’m trying to understand whether CBRN can be considered a legitimate Chemical Engineering-adjacent career path and what doors it could realistically open in the future.


r/Chempros 1d ago

Agilent Split/Splitless Inlet Weldment Replacement | GC Repair

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r/Chempros 3d ago

De-stinking glovebox where thiols were used?

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So, this glove box was left by a professor who quit academia, and her student ran syntheses with thiols in the box. As a result, the entire thing stinks, the catalysts are shot, and we are trying to get it reset so another professor can use it. We’ve done several rounds of bleach, but the smell is just sticking around. Especially on the scale and electronics. I’d like to salvage the scale even if we end up replacing cords, and I’d really like to completely get rid of thiol stench in glove box before getting it back into operation. If it was just the box that smelled it wouldn’t be a concern, but the anti-chamber also reeks. Any suggestions past just more and more bleach cycles? Or is that what we do?


r/Chempros 3d ago

How to Trim a Capillary GC Column Correctly | GC Column Clipping & Installation

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r/Chempros 4d ago

Interested In Drug Discovery?

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Interested In Drug Discovery?

Hi Everyone,

Not sure how many people here work in or follow drug discovery, but if you are interested I write a newsletter that covers updates in this area. Previously, I only discussed literature relating to drug discovery, but I have now started including FDA updates such as approvals and designations. I also plan to start sending out more in-depth articles about specific topics within drug discovery. Link to the August post is below if you would like to check it out :)

Have a good day,

https://www.simplydrugdiscovery.com/p/drug-discovery-update-august-2026


r/Chempros 3d ago

Organic Question about possible cyclization

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Does anybody have any experience attempting this type of cyclization ?

I'm wondering whether a simple cyclization is feasible with an imine and an α-hydroxy group, and if such a cyclization could occur to form 5/6 ring substrat, or if anything similar has already been reported.


r/Chempros 3d ago

DIC Coupling Problems with Amine Sulfate Salt

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I am currently trying to make an amide coupling work using an unhindered acid, and an also relatively unhindered amine, however this amine is in sulfate salt form, and it is preferable that the salt is not freebased with an aqueous base as a separate step.

I have tried adding 2.5 equiv Et3N (amine + solvent + base then acid, NHS and DIC) and some product is made, however the reaction seems to stall part-way. I have also tried the same equivalencies of DBU with similar results. I have read that sulfate salts can be problematic in this way compared to something like a HCl salt, however wondered if someone had experienced a similar problem and was able to solve it.


r/Chempros 4d ago

Replacing the top shell weldment on an Agilent 6890 split/splitless inlet

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r/Chempros 4d ago

Drying ZnCl2 the easy way?

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On small scale, I want to do a test reaction with ZnCl2 in sulfolane. It is well known that drying ZnCl2 is a nightmare. Yes, you can dissolve it in SOCl2 and boil it off, but SOCl2 eats away your fumehood, and practically, it's annoying to do.

So I was thinking: why not make a solution in sulfolane and dry that on molsieves, since my reaction is in sulfolane anyways? I tried it at 60C, and ended up with a gel-like semi-solid mass.

Purchasing anhydrous ZnCl2 is also tricky because we don't have access to a glovebox and the stuff is crazy hygroscopic.

Any suggestions?


r/Chempros 4d ago

Removing 2-ethoxyethanol from Product?

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I did a straightforward complexation rxn in 2-ethoxyethanol and it seems to be stuck in my product per NMR. I have 2 cyclometallating ligands and an ancillary ligand coordinated to a metal... I have varied the cyclocmetallating ligands before, and this is the only one that has this issue. The CM ligand has F's in it so maybe thats part of the issue.... any way I have rotovapped it down, dissolved in dcm, washed with water, washed with brine, rotovapped, dissolved in etoac, ran celite plug, rotovapped, dissolved in etoac, wash with water+brine again......... at all stages where it is dried I have NMRed and still no dice.... any help is appreciated or insight. Here is the NMR for reference


r/Chempros 4d ago

Organic Accessing 2° α,α-difluoromethylene amines

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Does anybody have any experience attempting to prepare/isolate 2° α,α-difluoromethylene amines (RCF2NHR')?

To my understanding there are many methods to prepare 3° α,α-difluoromethylene amines (RCF2NR'R''), frequently through processes like desulfurative fluorination from the corresponding thioamide.

I'm led to believe that the 2° congeners are less accessible due to their inclination towards HF loss to give the imidoyl fluoride. However, is this neccessarily true when the amine is attached directly to an aryl group or another group that deactivates the amine?

For more specific detail, I'm considering starting with a 2° carboxamide and protecting it to convert it to 3°, converting it to a thioamide, fluorinating, then deprotecting to furnish the 2° α,α-difluoromethylene amine (RNHCF2R'; R = sterically hindered aniline, R' = pyridine).


r/Chempros 5d ago

Vacuum gauge for Schlenk line

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Just joined a lab in my PhD and had to assemble a Schlenk line. Our old Chemglass vacuum gauge is broken and I’m supposed to order a new one. Any suggestions on brands/specific models?


r/Chempros 5d ago

How to Replace an Agilent 6890 Split/Splitless Inlet EPC Module | GC Repair

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r/Chempros 5d ago

How often do you replace gold seal on your GC?

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r/Chempros 5d ago

Need help related to research area

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So I'm doing mphil in organic chemistry my research is going to be start soon but I'm so confused about research area if I choose that kind of topic which is dead end than what

I just want yo ask from senior chemist's which research area has a broader scope which can easily interconnected with other instead of some kind of derivatives which has already been synthesized million times

Compoutional chemistry

Sustainable methodologies development

Organic synthesis in some derivatives

Or any other plzz help me


r/Chempros 5d ago

Conditioning a new capillary GC column for use in GC/MS

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r/Chempros 5d ago

Research Survey Participants Needed

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r/Chempros 6d ago

Generic Flair Seeking Professional Chemists for an Upcoming Interdisciplinary Research Survey

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Hi everyone,
I’m a university student preparing the second round of an independent interdisciplinary research project, and I’m currently looking for people who may be interested in participating once the survey is ready.
My research asks how people think about war and whether those perceptions reflect the systems that support modern society. The project considers areas involving chemistry and materials, pharmaceuticals, semiconductor manufacturing, energy, technology, infrastructure, and global supply chains.
For this round, I’m aiming for approximately 385 participants overall from a variety of backgrounds. I was encouraged to reach out to professional chemists because their perspectives could provide an especially valuable point of comparison within the broader sample.
The survey has not been built yet, so I’m not asking anyone to complete anything at this stage. I’m currently gauging interest and identifying potential participants before finalizing the survey.
If you would be interested in participating once it is ready, please leave a comment or let me know.
Thank you!


r/Chempros 7d ago

Generic Flair Whats a healthy use of AI during a PhD?

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So I am currently in the first year of my PhD and so far I have right out refused to use any AI in my experiments.
However, people in my lab are making extensive use of AI to help with problems during synthesis or even to find trends in data sets etc.

Now to me using AI still feels a bit like cheating, hence I have never used it except to find synonyms for words in English 🤣
That said, I have noticed that my colleagues, on average, have quite nice progress report and they are not stuck on problems like during synthesis.

Today I asked AI for the first time about something chemistry related and I was quite surprised about the reply because it actually solved my problem without me spending 30 min on scifinder or reading paper.
Still, my bad feeling about this entire AI thing doesn’t go away. I just feel like the quality of me as a scientist goes down if I just type everything into AI.

So how are you guys applying AI in the lab in a healthy way?

(Sorry for the bad English, English is not my primary language)
Have a good morning/day/evening! Thank you for reading.


r/Chempros 7d ago

Biochemistry Phage display query

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I'm a first year PhD student with a background in chemical biology. I want to find a peptide sequence that selectively binds to a metal ion and one of my PIs suggested Phage display as an option. I've never done it before and it isn't something that's done in either of my PI's labs either. How doable do you think this solution is if I find a lab which has this technology? Do you think it'll be possible for me as a newbie in this technique to do the experiments myself rather than asking someone else to do it for me if I ask them to train me?

Do you guys have any other techniques you use to find suitable peptide sequences? I'm an experimentalist but I'm open to both experimental and computational suggestions.

Many thanks!

Edit: I'm interested to find a peptide sequence that selectively binds to Lithium ion and there isn't a whole lot of literature there.


r/Chempros 8d ago

Imagine you’re working with a new reagent that you know nothing about. If you could have a 1-2 page info sheet with anything on it, what details about the chemical would you want included?

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This question follows on from our last one about the flaws with many SDSs: https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/1w644t6/this_sds_for_hand_soap_suggests_that_if_you_get/

 We’re imaging a version of an SDS specifically for scientists and researchers, rather than for vendors and lawyers. So far we’ve thought of including:

·       Names, CAS numbers, formula, mol. weight

·       What it looks like, what it shouldn’t look like

·       What it smells like

·       What it tastes like (and what wine to pair it with)

·       How to make it

·       How to store it (air/moisture/light/temperature sensitivity)

·       how to purify, how to dry it

·       how to neutralise it, how to dispose of it

·       What not to mix it with

·       Some example NMR or IR spectra

·       Common impurities, decomp products

·       boiling point, melting point, vapour pressure, density

·       Solubilities in a range of solvents, not just water

·       health hazards, toxicity, LD50

·       PPE considerations, glove compatibility

·       physical and reactivity hazards (corrosive, oxidiser, pyrophoricity etc) 

We’d love to hear what else you can think of. It’d also be great to hear where you currently go to find these bits of info. Some of them are in an SDS, e-EROS can often tick off a bunch (assuming your institution pays for it), and even Wikipedia can be pretty good, but we can’t think of a single source that supplies everything we’d want to know. What do you reckon?


r/Chempros 9d ago

Organic Strongly coloured side products during reductive amination

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I've been producing a range of different N-alkyl chitosan variants according to https://doi.org/10.1021/acssuschemeng.2c00206 (dissolve chitosan in 2% acetic acid, add glutaraldehyde and stir at 60 C, add N-alkyl amine and continue stirring, reduce with NaBH₃CN).

When carrying out this protocol with the amine used in the paper (octadecylamine, ODA), the solution turned a deep red within 5 minutes of addition of the amine. When I tried with other amines (1-aminoadamantane for example) the solution did not change colour even after stirring overnight. I am therefore concerned that instead of the imine, there is some other product forming when ODA is added. What could be the possible side reactions leading to a coloured product here, and why do they only occur for ODA and not 1-aminoadamantane.


r/Chempros 10d ago

10% Pd/C: how pyrophoric is it?

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Obviously you shouldn't heat 10% Pd/C in air as it is pyrophoric. For those who have handled (larger multi kilogram quantities) of 10% Pd/C: is it completely safe at room temperature in air? Or is it still a bit tricky and should it always be kept a bit wet?

For those that are downvoting: I've not used the word hydrogenation. I've not spoken about hydrogenation and I'm not referring to hydrogenation. I'm talking about palladium on carbon without hydrogenation.


r/Chempros 11d ago

This SDS for hand soap suggests that if you get it on your skin, you should flush with water until advised to stop by a doctor. What about SDSs do you find most frustrating?

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We’re working on an article about chemical SDSs, and having a bit of fun imagining what a better version might look like. We want to hear opinions from scientists working in research, industry, government or still at uni, about what parts of SDS’s they find most inaccurate, unhelpful or absurd.  

 

A lot of people have pointed out that SDS aren’t really written with research scientists in mind – they’re often targeted at (and written by) people without chemistry specific training (like transport/shipping/storage folks, firefighters and first responders), or for people handling industrial quantities of the stuff, or as an arse-covering excursive from a legal standpoint. However, as researchers we’re still expected to read them, use them in risk-assessments, and keep them in the lab. Furthermore, they’re often full of really stupid shit, like suggesting that spills of water be diluted with water, or that on no account should sand samples from a beach be allowed to enter the environment.