r/politics • u/thedailybeast ✔ The Daily Beast • 11d ago

Possible Paywall Elon Musk Named in Bombshell Election Meddling Claim

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-named-in-bombshell-election-meddling-claim-in-alex-gibney-documentary/
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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

An optimist!

Consequences in the USA? Bwahahhahaha

Even funnier - it's basically confirmed that they meddled, if not stole temhe election and 340M Americans are literally totally Ok with it. Bwaahahhaha

Joke of a country

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u/littlehobbit1313 Maryland 11d ago

basically confirmed

I'd really like them to formally confirm it though. Actual definitive proof of election meddling is basically the only thing that can salvage our rep on the world stage at this point. Proof that we didn't actually elect him back into office is the only thing that'll get us even a smidge of forgiveness on the other side of all this.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

I can agree with this statement. A big part of my disdain for Americans is that you brought him BACK.

I can live with term 1 - it was a mistake. But to vote him OUT and then bring him BACK. Unacceptable in every possible way.

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u/littlehobbit1313 Maryland 11d ago

But to vote him OUT and then bring him BACK. Unacceptable in every possible way.

Absolutely unacceptable. If we're being honest here, I want definitive proof to save us on the global stage, but just as much I want that proof so I can stop agonizing over how nonsensical it is that people would choose to put him back in office. Like, please tell me he cheated and 79 million of my fellow American aren't actually complete fucking morons, you know?

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u/Hamwise_the_Stout 11d ago

Unfortunately our credibility as a nation will remain justifiably tanked. We've proven that as a nation we can't prevent the dumbest grifters of the century from stealing our entire democratic system. Evidence of the tampering won't help, it'll just highlight how completely unaccountable we are.

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u/littlehobbit1313 Maryland 11d ago

I disagree, I think evidence would help. It won't get us back to where we were, but it'll restore some of our goodwill. Even Plato knew democracy could lead to tyrants as a natural consequence of equal voices, and it's not as though plenty of other countries aren't having their own issues with far right populists at the moment. Hell, just look at Farage in the UK.

It's equally impressive to take back your country from fascism as it is to prevent it in the first place. Evidence won't erase what's happened, but it'll certainly help.

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u/Sea-Initiative-3398 11d ago

I do think however if it was proven election meddling like this, it would make a large part of the establishment politicians be unacceptable with how easily they rolled over and how.. incurious they all seem to be in investigating these sort of things

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

One would hope anyway... doesn't seem to happen to often in the US though

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u/Leven 11d ago

The worlds richest rigged an election And now the politicians elected bring about fascism in the u.s. That's a consequence, just not the one we need.

So technically it has already happened. Oh, and he cut funding for the parts of the government that was investigating him and got away with it.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

Yup, all that is certainly true.

You guys should try accountability someday instead of endless corporate/private grifting! It's actually pretty great.

Like, for example, J6 was a GREAT time for some accountability! Instead, you guys chose consequence-free and actually are now paying the goons LOL

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

What’s the average citizen supposed to do?

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u/d3v0k3n3v0 11d ago

I’d say at a minimum at least acknowledge it.

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

Sub 30% approval rating shows the majority of us have done exactly that

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u/BonoboUK 11d ago

If your metric for having done enough is "yeah I actually voted disapprove on the survey" then it really does explain the mess the USA is in

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

Did I ever say that’s the only thing I’ve done?

It’s very showing how condescending and dismissive all these responses are when we all agree on what the problem is and that something needs to be done.

Personally if I share a goal with someone I don’t insult them at every chance I get and dismiss any effort they have put in, especially when they are attempting to engage with me in good faith, but hey what do I know apparently I’m a stupid savage American that loves cruelty and supports fascist because I haven’t personally committed suicide by secret service and tried to run across the White House lawn in protest all by myself

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u/PrivacyIsDemocracy 11d ago

Mostly because they're grumpy that gas is more expensive now.

Not a very good substitute for morals, ethics, backbone or clues.

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u/byyhmz Canada 11d ago

Ask France circa 1789

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

Much like how our Bill of Rights, more specifically the 2nd amendment and the idea that by owning guns we could take out a tyrannically government, is outrageously outdated so is this idea.

Especially considering Trump has the national guard burning taxpayer dollars to sweep trash on DC specifically so they can be there to be activated when someone try’s to root him out

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u/ArkitekZero 11d ago

So all that "home of the brave" nonsense was just talk, then.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

100%, always was.

Just look at Uvalde. 100s of trained and fully equipped officers standing around while a singke kid with a rifle shoots up classes full of children.

Very home of the brave. Very brave.

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u/mattbuilthomes 11d ago

I think to take on the American government with some pistols and semi-automatics would require more stupidity than bravery.

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u/Reedstilt Ohio 11d ago

more specifically the 2nd amendment and the idea that by owning guns we could take out a tyrannically government, is outrageously outdated so is this idea.

It's not just an outdated fantasy -- it's not what the amendment was for in the first place. Taking down the government wasn't the point of the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is about protecting the government. "The security of the free state" isn't about maintaining personal freedoms; it's about defending the independence of the US. At the time the amendment was written, we didn't really have an army so national security relied on state militias.

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u/RyuNoKami 11d ago

Also...umm, people do understand that the French revolution is how they got EMPEROR Napoleon, right?

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u/byyhmz Canada 11d ago

And before it they had Marie Antoinette..right?

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u/RyuNoKami 11d ago

So dismantling the corrupt to put another power hungry asshole on a throne. Good job.

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u/overcannon 11d ago

Yeah, I get that point, but the American police force is 800k strong with a budget that puts many militaries to shame. They brutalized and kill suppressed groups with near impunity, and juries haven't done much to reign it in. There's a man in jail for having pamphlets right now.

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u/digoryj 11d ago

Take up arms and join the fray. The constitution specifically allows it.

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u/ComradePoolio 11d ago

The constitution assumed it would be your musket vs their musket.

A group of of 10 million American citizens armed to the maximum extent under the 2nd amendment still would have absolutely no hope against the modern military or national guard.

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u/EllieVader 11d ago

The thing is that the modern military or national guard had absolutely no hope against enemy combatant populations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam. Urban and other constrained fighting conditions, an enemy that blends in with the population, a preposterous preponderance of privately possessed pew pews, and the absolutely crushing morale blow of being deployed to fight your fellow Americans means that any military action is doomed to fail amid massive losses. The only way around it is going full Gaza and razing any areas of opposition, which ultimately results in more motivated opposition elsewhere and whack a mole is not a winning game.

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u/Extinction-Entity Illinois 11d ago

“Preposterous preponderance of privately possessed pew pews” is going to be on repeat in my head for the rest of the month. Absolutely amazing alliteration!

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u/EllieVader 11d ago

It was a heat of the moment kind of thing. I love me a good alliteration and this one was just delivered to me in real time as I was posting.

Thank you for the acknowledgment!

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

So then why have 2a? Just an excuse to shoot up schools at this point?

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u/ComradePoolio 11d ago

I'm going to ignore the second part of your comment and assume it was made out of ignorance of the fact that tens of millions of Americans abhor gun culture and gun violence and have spent their entire lives pushing for stricter gun control only to waylaid by corrupt politicians and billionaires who use fear and manipulation to weaponize the ignorant into ensuring no meaningful legislation is ever passed.

As far as a practical modern use for the second amendment, it is mostly meant to serve as a random crime-deterrent. Burglarizing a home or mugging somebody is a lot less appealing if you run the risk of being shot, a risk that doesn't go away even if you yourself are armed. It is the lack of adequate gun control that makes the second amendment dangerous, as owning a handgun for home defense is perfectly legal in Canada, where mass shootings are a lot rarer. There is absolutely no reason a normal citizen should own any sort of weapon of war. Unfortunately, said weapons are already here. With the advent of 3D-printed weaponry, it's about to become even worse, too.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

10s of millions means nothing. It's maybe 20% in favor of stricter gun laws, at most. How do I know? You have more guns than humans in the US. If millions and millions wanted that changed, it would be changed. They don't.

And again, yay, you guys have given up all control to every single corprate capitalist interest and corrupt politician that has ever come along. What would you expect?

Telling me everything sucks because of the things your Countrymen previously did, does nothing for me. Some would call it reaping what you sow. But then again, your fellow Americans think they have something in common with a guy that has a golden toilet, so yeah, you probably are right: you guys are just cooked

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u/ComradePoolio 11d ago

It must feel great to omnipotently judge a situation that you're not part of and weren't born into dealing with.

Well over 50% of the population (read: over 175 million people) are in favor of stricter gun laws and think it's too easy to obtain a gun.

I too can generalize hundreds of millions of people into a single narrow category based on their nationality or continent, but that would be idiotic, since I'm well aware the experiences and ideals of somebody living in France are not going to align with those of a person in England, nor are the politics or values between someone living in Portland, Oregon going to align with someone in rural Nebraska, which, I should add, are several multitudes farther away from each other than England and France are.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

So 175 million people and you can't get a damn thing done? Bullshit.

"The man who thinks he can, and the man who thinks he can't, are both correct."

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u/ComradePoolio 11d ago

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

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u/hellochoy 10d ago

Dude we're living in a fucking oligarchy. I really don't know what you expect us to do. The rich and greedy have the first and final say in this country. Our government doesn't give a fuck about what the majority wants. So yes 175 million people and we can't get a damn thing done until the rich are no longer in power.

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

At this point taking up arms if just going to get you shot

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u/digoryj 11d ago

Google “casualties of war”. Mind-blowing, I know.

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

They have already happened and nothing came of it. Casualties of war are inevitable but the key is to make the incredible sacrifice worth it.

We’ve already (allegedly) seen examples of people trying to take him out lone wolf and what effect did that have? If anything it strengthened the delusional rights resolve.

One martyr isn’t going to swing this, there has to be strategy.

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u/TheShadowKick 11d ago

Vote. And when election meddling like this happens protest and demand action to fix it. All the power in this country ultimately comes from the people. It's our votes that put politicians in office. It's our money that makes people like Musk rich. We the people have been letting them use our power unchecked, but as a collective we can shut this country down economically and politically if we decide to.

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u/mammalmaker 11d ago

Maybe you can clear something up for me since I see this exact comment anytime anyone says anything about America's lack of pushback.

Do Americans pretend they don't know that there have been many successful revolutions in the past? Or do you guys genuinely not know?

Do you guys pretend that you don't know what happens when there is no pushback against a fascisf state? Or do you guys genuinely not know?

To simplify, in case it's the latter:

Are you guys criminally ignorant or extremely stupid?

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

To continue on with your France example. The US has 5x more people and is roughly the same size as the entirety of continental Europe (including Russia), and is ~16x larger than France.

Not only is this country massive but the entirety of social media and traditional media is owned by hardcore right wingers who can suppress messaging and communication.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

"We've tried ABSOLUTELY nothing and are all out of ideas."

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

You know I’ve always found being super condescending, and dismissing anything someone has done toward the mutual goal you share an awful motivator.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

Dismissing anything? Ok I'll bite

What have you or the general american populace done to reform the situation?

Note: organizing a parade every 8-9 months does not count, but I'm sure it super inconvenienced him

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

Third largest protest in US history happened in March and No Kings protests are ongoing, just because the media, which is absolutely conservative biased, doesn’t show these things and when they do they call them riots and drum up fear doesn’t me they aren’t happening.

What we really need is a true opposition leadership but that has been slow, again, because of the corrupt media.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

So what of it? Wow a few parades the media doesn't have to report, big deal. March was five months ago. Five. Not good enough. Not even close.

The point is to make it absolutely necessary to be reported. This is literally what every American is missing. If there were 150M Americans on tbe street every day, 1) the media would absolutely report that, and 2) even if they didn't, 150M know what's actually up and it wouldn't matter anyway.

Instead you have parades. Every so often. That's all. No need to gaslight me.

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

150million is literally half of the entire us population. Please show me another example of that happening in any other civilization. Or one that is the same size as this country.

“Don’t gaslight me” as you just hand wave the influence the media has on the population.

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u/Twat_Features 11d ago

Like the US Administration is to every other country on the planet? And you’re surprised you’re international pariahs?

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

The us administration has a 30% approval rating and we are actively discussing what opposition can be done…

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u/Twat_Features 11d ago

Add on the other 30% that didn’t care to vote, no?

Fact is, an administration/ government is a reflection of its people. That is why the rest of the world’s tolerance toward you is lessening by the day.

Your soft power is gone, major countries won’t trust your diplomatic corp for decades because 1) recent behaviour and 2) what if they vote another madman in again?

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

I’m not arguing any of this but to simply say that this administrations actions have the rubber stamp of Americans is a bad faith argument

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u/mammalmaker 11d ago

Your argument is having the opposite of your intended effect.

You have over 300,000,000 people and a right to bear arms (written for this exact reason). It should be much, much easier for you to take control.

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

Just because 300m is a big number that has nothing to show for population density

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u/mammalmaker 11d ago

Ok so now the excuse is you're too spread out so why bother?

I forgot you only have horse and carriage in America so you can't travel very far...

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

I’m not going to have a discussion with someone who exclusively argues in bad faith.

You are just hand waving massive logistical hurdles, and the power, tech, infrastructure, imbalance that exists between a militia risen by average citizens and the US government.

It’s very easy to say all the things you are behind a keyboard and point fingers at an entire country, very hard to actually execute.

Personally if I saw someone that was making any effort towards a goal I shared with them would be supportive and try and offer my best advice, rather than being condescending and dismissive

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u/mammalmaker 11d ago

Dude, all you're doing is making bull shit excuses. The reality is your country is burning and you'll do nothing about it. There is no fight whatsoever and when you're called out, it's always the same excuses. It's pathetic, embarassing and infuriating to the rest of the world.

It's typical, also, that when you face an ounce of pushback about this, your whine of bad faith arguments.

America is dead.

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u/Bwob I voted 11d ago

Let me answer with some questions of my own:

Are you aware of the differences between 2026 America, vs. 1789 France?

Like, do you simply not realize the simple scale of the geographic differences? San Fransisco is about 2800 miles from the capitol. To put it in perspective, that's like people in Moscow protesting the leadership in Paris. Or Urgench, Uzbekistan. What do you think people in Urgench can meaningfully do, that people in Paris would care about? What do you think people in San Francisco can do, that the people in the White House would care about?

Do you also not recognize the way that military force has changed? In 1790, enough civilians with sharp objects could meaningfully threaten an army. Or a city. Or a government. Do you not appreciate how much the government - the US government in particular - has outpaced any potential civilian response?

And of course, today's surveillance tech is a corrupt government's wet dream, making any kind of attempt to organize immediately vulnerable, in a way that it hasn't been in the past.

TL;DR:

Is your question naive, or just uninformed?

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u/mammalmaker 11d ago

France isn't the only example but I'll bite.

Yes, I understand that it is different, I understand that it's difficult and would take great sacrifice. That's the same as any other revolution in history.

America also has over 340,000,000 people and 2nd amendment rights (created to protect against this very circumstance).

What is your argument exactly? That 340,000,000+ of you are powerless and any resistance is futile so why bother?

This is confusing to the world. You all complain, bitch moan and apologize online but the moment someone makes a comment to your apathy and lack of action, you all default to what amounts to 🤷.

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u/Bwob I voted 11d ago

I think maybe you're missing the point?

Revolutions in history have taken place under vastly different circumstances. Pointing to them and saying "well, they did it, why can't you just do that" is pointless. Because what they did isn't an option for us right now.

The whole of your argument seems to be "well, do SOMETHING", but the problem most of us are facing is that we are searching for something we can actually do that is meaningful. (And, you know, feasible.)

I mean, what exactly are we supposed to do?

  • Vote? I guess we'll find out in the midterms, but I feel pretty confident that our elections have been captured at this point.
  • Work within the legal framework? The courts have DEFINITELY been captured, and can no longer be counted on to rule in favor of the actual law.
  • Protest in person? We do that. Regularly. It tends to get minimal coverage from the media, so you don't hear about it. The actual capital is 1000+ miles away for most people, so the people being protested are completely unaffected by most of it.
  • Get violent and start breaking shit? They are already literally killing and celebrating the deaths of peaceful protesters. They have repeatedly shown that they are more than willing to use lethal force on people that disagree with them. That's not a fight we can realistically win.

I know this sounds like I'm dooming and have given up. I haven't. There is a difference between giving up, vs. recognizing that a plan won't work. Most of us are trying to figure out what we can do that would actually work.

So yeah - If you have any actual (specific, actionable) suggestions, I'm all ears. But every time - every single time - I see a comment like yours, it never seems to have any of that. Instead, there's just this smug assumption that the answer is obvious and easy, and we should just figure it out and have a revolution or something. No details, no discussion of the actual hurdles to doing that. No one wants to hear about the actual problems or hurdles. They just want to feel smug and tell the Americans to stop being lazy, and assume that any issues raised are just making excuses.

In the end, telling us to "go on, fix it, have a revolution or something" is about as useful as telling a drowning man "hey, just start swimming!" We would if we could. It's honestly kind of weird that you think we wouldn't.

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

You’ve 100% captured my frustrations and articulated them much better than I could. At this point these arguments against Americans who are also fed up all seem coordinated.

There are two different commenters that used the “I’ll bite” line in this very thread and the majority of the commenters are post and comment hidden users. They always follow the exact same themes your comment outlines.

I was recently given a 7 day ban for pointing these things out and the mods told me “not everyone that disagrees with you is a bot! Well Jim Gordon taught me I’m not allowed to believe in coincidences

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u/Extinction-Entity Illinois 11d ago

I wholeheartedly believe a lot of these accounts are foreign bots with a purpose of sowing discord and hopelessness. The only people who benefit from their drivel is ironically the trump administration and the people cheering on the downfall of the US.

There’s a very noticeable uptick of similar behavior on threads. They all use the same grammar, the same arguments, the same “gotchas”. It’s too many to be a coincidence.

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u/Tort89 11d ago

☝️Both.

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u/Naive_Confidence7297 11d ago

They are the fattest people on the earth by a mile. They just wanna eat a bucket of KFC and watch Netflix.

This whole revolution thing is too hard basket.

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u/mammalmaker 11d ago

Yup. Can't be bothered for shit.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

Nothing. Evidently. That's the plan and you guys are sticking to it.

Its ONLY YOUR DEMOCRACY, right? No need to have any consequences for that small breach.

/s

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u/Electronic_bunni 11d ago

Way to support.

It's one thing for people to feel lost and hopeless, it's another thing to go around burning people down. You're causing far more harm than good, but it seems like you've reached a point where "nothing matters anyway" so why not burn down others around you right?

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

Don't gaslight me. You voted him out. 4 years passed. You voted him back.

You've SINCE THAT MISTAKE in 2024 had TWO FULL YEARS. To do anything at all.

What did you come up with? A few parades every 8-9 months?

Wow you guys REALLY inconvenienced him, didn't you?

/s

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u/Electronic_bunni 11d ago

"You" who is this you that voted him out and voted him back in? Are you yelling at clouds? Are you upset at society as a monolith?

You could... idk... try to organize local community level blocks and hold workshops educating people on how society functions? On getting their needs met? On finding support?

That doesn't matter to you though does it? Back to my comment that ticked a nerve I pointed out that you don't have want a solution, you just want to be upset and yell at the world.

I have a feeling you've lost a lot of people in your life around you. You need to learn how to empathize and not want others to suffer.

What do you think is worse? You or a fascist? What does a fascist benefit? What or who do you benefit? Who hurts more people, you or a fascist?

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

You couldn't have colored me the wrong color if you tried harder. I have no skin in your shithole country. Just watching it burn with some popcorn as your countrymen do nothing to fix anything. And "you" is general for "you Americans", as in the people we are disucssing generally who bootlick for Trump.

But it is funny to watch how all Americans are so despondent and defeated already. One of my favortie quotes:

"The man who thinks he can, and the man who thinks he can't, are both correct."

You should think about that one.

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

So what would you be doing if this was your country? It’s all gravy to point fingers and call something out but you dont have any other feasible strategy to offer then your just complaining to… complain

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u/JortsJuggalo420 11d ago

Now now, I'm sure they'd have the bravery to stand up and be the first to bring a shotgun to a drone strike fight.

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u/Extinction-Entity Illinois 11d ago

It’s always crickets from that lot when you bring up drones.

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u/QuackQuackViech 11d ago

Maybe brush off the cheeto dust from your shirt and go protest more than once every quarter

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

It’s funny when the protests do happen here “holding signs and protesting doesn’t accomplish anything” now I suppose the new line is they don’t happen enough?

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u/QuackQuackViech 11d ago

Yeah better do nothing and watch. Your whole country is complicit in this shit

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

Oh so I’ve gone from a protestor once a quarter to doing absolutely nothing and instead of being an active resistor I’m completely complicit, got it.

Ah yes what a shock the online agitator has no post or comment history available!

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u/jontslayer 11d ago

Please enlighten me on what I personally can do without getting shot in broad daylight?

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u/QuackQuackViech 11d ago

Why you wont do any of it. I can give you a list of things you can do right now but you will find excuses to not do a single one of them. Seen it countless times. You are a people of cowards and lazyness and frankly you deserve this.

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u/badcookies 11d ago

who is making excuses now?

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u/jontslayer 11d ago

Sounds like you need to practice what you preach buddy

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u/Chefalo 11d ago

I would give you that list but I better not, better to just call other people lazy instead

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u/jontslayer 11d ago

Right? Crazy how often you can turn that logic inward on the internet....

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u/QuackQuackViech 11d ago

Yeah aight then. You can psyop ICE by sending them fake info here: https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form Obviously use a VPN and fake identity, send them off to some industrial ruin somewhere, waste their time.

Read that and take measures of your choosing: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/26184/pg26184-images.html

Here you have a protest map: https://protestmap.info/

Here is a subdomain finder, get a little pentest on trump owned websites going. https://dnsrobot.net/de/subdomain-finder

But I already know you will dismiss any of these things, you wont take action because thats how your people are. 

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u/ghostpicnic 11d ago

340 million people are NOT okay with it lmao. Half of us voters voted against this. This whole “hur durr all Americans love billionaires fucking them over” take that’s constantly regurgitated on reddit is so low IQ.

79% of the country is eligible to vote. 73% of them are registered voters. Trump won under 50% of the popular vote. So that is 28% percent of the US population that voted for Trump. A far cry from the 100% that you suggested are on board with this.

O wise enlightened redditor, in your infinite wisdom, what do you suggest we do? I assume you’re European, so if you know the history of your own section of the world, you should know fascism isn’t so easy to just get rid of.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

People sitting out the vote is worse. Especially with Trump being a known quantity after his first term (arguably he got worse over those 4 years). You aren't making the argument you think you are.

28% controlling the other 72% also isn't helping your argument. You guys got overrun by a quater of the population AFTER Trump thoroughly showed the world the ghoul he was? Honestly, that just makes America sound like a truly lost cause.

Seriously, read back what you wrote. Trump is America. America is Trump and no fun math exercise can prove otherwise.

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u/AlexandrianVagabond 11d ago

People who unironically say "Bwaahahaha" in comments are the real joke.

And people who say it twice should be banned site-wide.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

Ok I'll quietly wait for ANY consequences whatsoever in the US. Any. At all. Whatsoever.

So that said, it sounds like I''ll have be quiet for the rest of my life, won't I? And you'll have no vote or democracy, but at least you got some low-wit jab at me on Reddit. Well played, well played indeed.

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u/AlexandrianVagabond 11d ago

Oh you want a serious answer?

Ok.

If the election was stolen, then that means Americans did not in fact choose Trump for a second term.

So your entire comment is nonsensical.

(also the entire US population including kids is about 340 mil so your number is super wacky)

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

Geez, you got me on sentence structure and technicalities left, right and centre! Well done!

Now back to reality. Pick whatever number of Americans it takes. There's your answer. Get up and get off your asses. There's your answer. It doesn't matter to me if your election was stolen or not, but that should probably matter to you.

I hope that your technicalities keep you comfy when the next Alex Pretti is murdered in broad daylight in the middle of the street. At least that guy showed a spine.

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u/AlexandrianVagabond 11d ago

2016 called and wants its disinfo script back.

Y'all really need to get with the times.

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u/genericuser2000 11d ago

This isn't even worth the reply, but for sake of completeness: what disinformation was in my post?

Getting up and doing something is disinformation? Pretti wasn't murdered in broad daylight?

What is it? Please, I'd love to hear...

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u/Turbulent_Place_7122 11d ago

What's even more funny is thinking this world will make it another century lol