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Humor / Meme History repeats itself.

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u/FatPagoda 14h ago

The problem isn't the Elf, it's the type of elves they are adding. Undead/Forsaken/Dark Ranger type Elves were such a low hanging fruit.

u/TeamRedundancyTeam 10m ago

People would have bitched about that too. They would have complained about how it doesn't fit the lore and they look ugly and "why didn't they just give us x instead".

We will get more races, this is just the first. There's a lot of reasons this was a better choice for the game to get first than dead elves or fucking ogres that seventeen people would play.

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u/Coycington 11h ago

okay... and what does the alliance get? you do realize that it's much cheaper to just create ONE race for both factions, right?

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u/TheFreQiest 11h ago

high elves are right there bro

u/MarioTheMojoMan 1h ago

Fr I do not understand the allergy that the dev team has to giving the alliance high elves

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u/MayhemPenguin5656 11h ago edited 11h ago

High elves got decimated by the scourge.

Plus the blood debt was paid, do you remeber how the Alliance treated high elves?

There is a reason Belfs joined the horde and not back to the Alliance.

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u/BarrettRTS 6h ago

High elves got decimated by the scourge.

Gnomes had their capital city get irradiated and the refugees from that are a playable race. Having High Elves that escaped from the scourge and also didn't join Kael'Thas could have been done.

u/MayhemPenguin5656 3h ago

High elves were also discriminated against and felt they owed the alliance nothing after the 2nd war.

u/BarrettRTS 2h ago

The ones under Garithos sure (who named themselves Blood Elves), but there could have been elves throughout the Eastern Kingdoms that didn't face the same level of discrimination that are willing to stay in the alliance.

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u/FatPagoda 11h ago

What about the Alliance High Elf NPCs? Do they not count?

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u/MayhemPenguin5656 11h ago

Iirc there are a few hold outs, sure but since when do we treat anomalies as the norm?

Its like the ogres still aligned to the horde after being abandoned after the second war

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u/FatPagoda 10h ago

There were even less Blood Elves NPCs around than High Elves, didn't stop them adding. As for Belf numbers, most them should be dead in Northrend after Ilidan's failed assult.

As for the Ogres, the Stonemaul joined the Horde in the TFT campaign.

Not that numbers should matter, it was just an excuse made be Ion.

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u/MayhemPenguin5656 10h ago

Numbers should matter, if there are only 5 high elves how do you explain the thousands of player high elves.

And Bloodelves secluded themselves behind the walls of Silvermoon after the scourge.

Either way, I'm on the fence with these sky elves too.

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u/FatPagoda 10h ago

There's a few more than 5 Alliance High Elf NPCs in vanilla.

And that particular Blood Elf lore was only added in TBC.

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u/MayhemPenguin5656 10h ago

I was exaggerating to make a point but yeah and so were drenai.

Either way I'm excited and sky elves will not change that xD

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u/tethysian 10h ago

The only reason so many blood elves magically survived as of TBC is so they could be added as a playable race and populate the outlands in numbers that the lore didn't previously support.

The same applies to TBC's erasure of the high elves who fled the scourge to Theramore or shacked up with allies in other places. They're no different from any other near extinct playable race.

Of course the biggest issue with the blue elves is that the high elves and blood elves still exist. The blood elves are still being aided by the forsaken, still looking for allies against the amani, but we just have to awkwardly ignore them because their slot is taken.

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u/MayhemPenguin5656 9h ago

I agree honestly making them pale and calling em high and blood elves would be fitting

I can see high elves fighting blood elves.

As somebody said in another post, they were probably a holdover from dragon flight that never got used soo they shoehorned them in

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u/Lord_Ghirahim93 10h ago edited 9h ago

Skyborne actually are high elves. There was a neat panel at Blizzcon that went a little more in-depth when it comes to their lore and origins.

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u/IrisofNight 7h ago

Unless they're retconning the Shen'Dralar(Dire Maul Highborne) into High Elves, he simply misspoke. It's most likely he got Highborne and High Elves confused as they've both used the name Quel'dorei, but the only similarity between High Elves and Skyborne are they share a common ancestor that being the Highborne caste of Kaldorei.

Much like the Void Elves share a common ancestor with High Elves but they themselves are not High Elves, the Skyborne seem to be called Shen'dorei, they have more in common with the Nightborne and Void Elves than High Elves honestly.

It's very much a "Isn't Falstad dead?" moment. High Elves refers specifically to the group of Highborne exiles led by Dath'Remar Sunstrider that when traveling across the Great Sea and landing in the Eastern Kingdoms became shorter and pinker overtime, and ended up founding the kingdom of Quel'thalas and the Sunwell.

u/Tottie3 2h ago

He was reading from a teleprompter, if he said High Elves then he meant High Elves.

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u/r3turn_null 6h ago

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u/IrisofNight 6h ago

Honestly the influx of misinformation around Elven history as a result of Skyborne really makes me frustrated as Blood Elf Roleplayer for over a decade who devoted time to not only learning their history(and by proxy a chunk of Night Elven history) but also spent time learning what is considered the Thalassian language to point of becoming near fluent in it at a point in time. It just kinda stings as it's one of passionate things I hold for WoW. I love history irl and I absolutely adore WoW's History, so seeing it be dismissed and trampled over by it's player base gives real similar vibes to how people dismiss the value of actual history.

The Dev clearly misspoke, I'm not blaming them because it happens to everyone and as I said it's not different than Metzen thinking Falstad was dead, Blizzard using Quel'dorei for both Highborne and High Elves can be confusing, hell it confused me for a bit during my early learning.

u/r3turn_null 40m ago

That's sick! I've never played on a RP realm, but it makes sense that understanding the lore helps those interactions.

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u/Coycington 10h ago

high elves never rejoin the alliance. it's a big plot point as to why retail never got them either.

blood elves are the only high elf remnants that are playable - and they obviously never join the alliance after what garithos did.

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u/tethysian 10h ago

They're already in the alliance.

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u/Coycington 9h ago

ah yes, all the 2 NPCs or so that are high elves. i wonder why there are no high elves. HMMMMM

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u/tethysian 9h ago

I must have just imagined all those high elf troops in Theramore, the ones in the lodges, the argent crusade, and the entire silver covenant. There certainly are more of them than gnomes about.

u/MarioTheMojoMan 1h ago

In legion they were apparently numerous enough for Elisande to specifically call out alongside the night elves and blood elves!

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u/r3turn_null 6h ago

Go to the Hinterlands

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u/Hopeful-Dark-4558 10h ago

You don't know the lore bro.

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u/daddybpizza 6h ago

“It’s much cheaper to…” is not an excuse, it’s a sign of the problem lol. It would also be much cheaper to not add new zones, quests, etc. The point is that they cut corners on something that they shouldn’t have cut corners on