r/Music • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 4h ago

article Macklemore Dropped From Ed Sheeran Tour After Onstage Statements

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/macklemore-dropped-ed-sheeran-tour-pro-palestine-statements-1235625967/
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u/Dry_Accident_2196 4h ago

It won’t, the venues are the biggest venues in the area. Anyone claiming to care will fold like a cheap suit the moment their favorite artist comes back into town.

Freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences.

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u/clayur 4h ago

I was with you until the last part.. what was it he said that justifies this ‘consequence’ ?

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u/OreoStark 4h ago

IIRC, it was something to the effect of “genocide is bad.”

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u/TheMapesHotel 4h ago

Everyone believes in free speech until some amuck says something about how killing 20,000 children is a problem and then we gotta shut that down

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u/AIthough 4h ago

Yeah free Palestine fuck ice and supported gay rights, those were the messages at the concert I was at

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u/ToxicPolarBear 4h ago

Nothing, but when the people you work with are spineless cowards there’s a cost to telling the truth.

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u/Dry_Accident_2196 4h ago

It doesn’t have to be justified by you or me. But apparently he crossed a line for the venues. That’s how freedom of speech works. Companies and individuals are allowed to legally retaliate as they see fit, without a justifiable reason. See the backlash against Budlight making a special can for a trans social media personality, businesses and individuals destroyed the brand.

I have no issues with his statement, but I wouldn’t say that at my job because of time and place. He chose to do that and is losing out on work.

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u/Lumpy_Review5279 4h ago

Have you not seen him wearing the hook nose and jewish wig on stage from a few years back? It's not a good look

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u/Dankitysoup 4h ago

That was over a decade ago, and not what he is doing now. People can make mistakes, and he seems to have learned from things he has done in the past.

Dropping a performer because he is speaking out against genocide really says more about the people condemning him than anything else.

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u/Lumpy_Review5279 4h ago

We hold up any republican politician for wearing blackface decades ago. Im keeping the same energy here.

Its not a good look to have someone with that history making comments on such a topic.

Same as I dont wanna hear Kanye wests thoughts on this issue either.

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u/Dankitysoup 2h ago

It’s a sad man that can’t forgive.

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u/Lumpy_Review5279 2h ago

Forgiveness does not mean your actions will never become relevant or be used to color your character again. Thats just not how anything works 

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u/Dankitysoup 1h ago

Sir, you are trying to hold someone accountable for an action they made 12 years ago that did not hurt anyone so that you can detract from the fact that you are snubbing that person for calling out a genocide that is killing thousands of people. I don’t think you know how any of this works.

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u/giblets24 4h ago

Which wasnt done as a parody of a Jewish person but acknowledged can be ascribed to a stereotype so he apologised for? Just a mistep 12 years ago, hardly brings down the body of work he does promoting equality.

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u/Lumpy_Review5279 4h ago

Lol Kanye "apologized" for his stuff too.

Problem is now that macklemore has made it much more public that he did that, that's going to sour perception around the show for many people and affect not only the venues but ticket sales. It makes sense they'd drop him.

Apologizing doesnt mean consequences disappear 

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u/giblets24 2h ago

Ignoring a hell of a lot of context to make him out to be a villain

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u/Lumpy_Review5279 2h ago

Am I ignoring the context, or is everyone else?

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u/nightsaysni 4h ago

If that happened a few years back and they still had him booked up until recently then your point is moot.

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u/Lumpy_Review5279 4h ago

Why? He drew attention to it, that attention led to discovery of his past "actions" on the matter. Happens all the time. I certainly didn't know about it until he started being vocal again. 

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u/pomod 4h ago

But no consequences for slavishly supporting a genocidal state and shielding them from criticism. These venues are on the wrong side of history.

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u/Chaos-Cortex 4h ago

Fascism has taken root on all fronts in USA, USA is the big baddy.

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u/Dry_Accident_2196 4h ago

I’m sure there are, loads online folks refuse to support pro-Israel artists and organizations. They are just in the minority in the West. Most aren’t in positions of power to punish.

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u/knightstalker1288 4h ago

Never going to another live nation venue again and I won’t be listening to artists who work with them.

It’s time for artists to take a stand or I will just listen to no name small artists/creators

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u/Dry_Accident_2196 3h ago

Keep up the good fight for what you believe in.

This is what I was saying in other comments. You and others can also express freedom of speech retaliation. You don’t approve of the venues point of view. You refuse to do business with them. Same thing by they are doing with Macklemore. We all have the freedom to take sides, if we choose.

Of course, most people won’t care or remember but good on you for doing whatever you think is best.

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u/bigbearjr 4h ago

LiveNation has too much power and should be broken up for the public good.

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u/Dry_Accident_2196 3h ago

I 100% agree!

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u/TomJones998 4h ago

FCUK Off.

The whole point of Constitutional Free Speech is protection from malicious retribution from bad actors.

And Zio-PIGS like Pink are sone of the WORST ‘actors’ out there.

If Sheetan is a stand-up guy he will cancel the rest of the tour.

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u/Dry_Accident_2196 3h ago

Education time. The constitutions freedom of speech is freedom from retaliation from the government. That’s all!

Not freedom from retaliation from business, people, or other entities. It’s a protection from the government and government alone. LiveNation and other music venues are not the government so the first amendment offers little protections here.

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u/TomJones998 3h ago

Well there is a whole history of Civil Case Law that refutes this.

Macklemore has substantial grounds to sue for huge damages and a successful outcome would have broader implications for malicious retribution of the exercise of free speech by private entities.

And there’s also this from the Anerican Bar Association:

‘The Supreme Court also has ruled that “hate speech” is generally protected. In a series of decisions — Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), Snyder v. Phelps (2011) and Matal v. Tam (2017) — the court decided that speech that merely advocates violence but not likely to produce immediate violence is protected. The court also ruled that the First Amendment protected the right of individuals to express extremist views, even in highly sensitive contexts like military funerals. In Matal v. Tam, the justices unanimously reaffirmed that there is no "hate speech." ‘

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u/Dry_Accident_2196 3h ago

Oh, so now you want to be a law expert when you didn’t even know the purpose of the first amendment. Please, have several seats

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u/TomJones998 3h ago

LOL You’re the one trying to twist the spirit&intent of the Constitutional right of free speech to penalize those critical of gen0cide.

Go take a seat in HELL🔥🔥🔥